Analize this article please, It is too good to be true,

Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light.
"Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."
In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each. When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result.
The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery. The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously.
Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051220/detu009.html?.v=34
This is a sensational article if it isn't a hoax. Which one is it?
Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.

Seethis Pass wrote:

Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light. ....

Try looking for "potato clock". A couple of pieces of metal stuck in a potato (or piece of fruit) is enough to power an LCD clock. You can also look for plans for making batteries out of coins. The basic concept is that any two dissimilar metals and an electrolyte can make a battery. If you look back several months in this very newsgroup you'll find plans for making batteries by dumping different types of cars in the ocean and hooking cables to them.
Nothing revolutionary about basic chemistry.
Anthony

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:28:42 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:

Seethis Pass wrote: Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light. ...
Try looking for "potato clock". A couple of pieces of metal stuck in a potato (or piece of fruit) is enough to power an LCD clock. You can also look for plans for making batteries out of coins. The basic concept is that any two dissimilar metals and an electrolyte can make a battery. If you look back several months in this very newsgroup you'll find plans for making batteries by dumping different types of cars in the ocean and hooking cables to them.
Nothing revolutionary about basic chemistry.
Anthony

Is his claim correct as to wheather the voltage can be filtered and coupled to do work?

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass wrote:

Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light.
"Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."
In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each. When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result.
The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery. The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously.
Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051220/detu009.html?.v=34
This is a sensational article if it isn't a hoax. Which one is it?
Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.

Well in one sense I doubt that its a hoax, but I also doubt whether it will "save the world" Reading the article it looks like a simple aluminium/copper cell to me, with a bit of hocus-pocus thrown in. We have dis-similar metals in a very weak electrolyte (the liquid of the tree and ground). I suspect it would work much better if the aluminium nail and copper pipe were put into a glass of salt water - rather than ruining a tree!
Filtering current I understand - cleaning it I do not.
Eric

Seethis Pass wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:28:42 -0800, Anthony Matonak Seethis Pass wrote:
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. .... Nothing revolutionary about basic chemistry.
Is his claim correct as to wheather the voltage can be filtered and coupled to do work?

I didn't read the website so I don't know what kind of snake oil he's selling but it's a simple battery. Batteries produce DC so there isn't any "filtering" required and it can certainly do work, just like any other kind of battery and with the same limits.
Anthony

Seethis Pass wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:28:42 -0800, Anthony Matonak anthonym40@nothing.like.comcast.net> wrote:
Try looking for "potato clock".

Exactly what sprang immediately to my mind.

A couple of pieces of metal stuck in a potato (or piece of fruit) is enough to power an LCD clock. You can also look for plans for making batteries out of coins. The basic concept is that any two dissimilar metals and an electrolyte can make a battery. If you look back several months in this very newsgroup you'll find plans for making batteries by dumping different types of cars in the ocean and hooking cables to them.

I missed that one!

Is his claim correct as to wheather the voltage can be filtered and coupled to do work?

What you seem to have failed to understand is that the _tree_ is not producing the electricity - it's coming from the gradual destruction of the metal. Now if you can convince the tree to recharge the battery, you have an amazing discovery! -- derek

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:15 GMT, phoneme@025379386.for.email.address (Eric Sears) wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass NotANewGuy@maxivision.net> wrote:
Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light.
"Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."
In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each. When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result.
The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery. The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously.
Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051220/detu009.html?.v=34
This is a sensational article if it isn't a hoax. Which one is it?
Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.
Well in one sense I doubt that its a hoax, but I also doubt whether it will "save the world" Reading the article it looks like a simple aluminium/copper cell to me, with a bit of hocus-pocus thrown in. We have dis-similar metals in a very weak electrolyte (the liquid of the tree and ground). I suspect it would work much better if the aluminium nail and copper pipe were put into a glass of salt water - rather than ruining a tree!
Filtering current I understand - cleaning it I do not.
Eric

I guess the key to this is the adding of the voltages. Is that something that is relatively simple? Can I take a number of .7 volt feeds and couple them up to produce 12 volts at a usable amperage? In different words could a bushel of 'potato clocks' or a number of tree spikes in this case, be coupled up to run a light or charge a battery?

Seethis Pass wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:15 GMT, phoneme@025379386.for.email.address (Eric Sears) wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass NotANewGuy@maxivision.net> wrote:
Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light.
"Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."
In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each. When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result.
The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery. The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously.
Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051220/detu009.html?.v=34
This is a sensational article if it isn't a hoax. Which one is it?
Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.
Well in one sense I doubt that its a hoax, but I also doubt whether it will "save the world" Reading the article it looks like a simple aluminium/copper cell to me, with a bit of hocus-pocus thrown in. We have dis-similar metals in a very weak electrolyte (the liquid of the tree and ground). I suspect it would work much better if the aluminium nail and copper pipe were put into a glass of salt water - rather than ruining a tree!
Filtering current I understand - cleaning it I do not.
Eric
I guess the key to this is the adding of the voltages. Is that something that is relatively simple? Can I take a number of .7 volt feeds and couple them up to produce 12 volts at a usable amperage? In different words could a bushel of 'potato clocks' or a number of tree spikes in this case, be coupled up to run a light or charge a battery?

yes, and in the case of the tree, the electrolyte maybe continually recharged, unlike a potatoe. The copper and zinc nails (or whatever you choose to use as electrodes) must be replaced on a regular basis, and there may be detrimental effects on the tree, but in an emergency .....
-- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

"Seethis Pass" wrote in message

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:15 GMT, phoneme@025379386.for.email.address (Eric Sears) wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass NotANewGuy@maxivision.net> wrote:
Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light.
"Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."
In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each. When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result.
The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery. The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously.
Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051220/detu009.html?.v=34
This is a sensational article if it isn't a hoax. Which one is it?
Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.
Well in one sense I doubt that its a hoax, but I also doubt whether it will "save the world" Reading the article it looks like a simple aluminium/copper cell to me, with a bit of hocus-pocus thrown in. We have dis-similar metals in a very weak electrolyte (the liquid of the tree and ground). I suspect it would work much better if the aluminium nail and copper pipe were put into a glass of salt water - rather than ruining a tree!
Filtering current I understand - cleaning it I do not.
Eric
I guess the key to this is the adding of the voltages. Is that something that is relatively simple? Can I take a number of .7 volt feeds and couple them up to produce 12 volts at a usable amperage? In different words could a bushel of 'potato clocks' or a number of tree spikes in this case, be coupled up to run a light or charge a battery?

Define "usable"
I doubt that even with 20 of these you would get much over an amp. About as good as the "Baghdad Battery".

SQLit wrote:

"Seethis Pass" wrote in message
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:15 GMT, phoneme@025379386.for.email.address (Eric Sears) wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass NotANewGuy@maxivision.net> wrote:
Here are some of the statements from the URL below.
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light.
"Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."
In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each. When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result.
The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery. The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously.
Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051220/detu009.html?.v=34
This is a sensational article if it isn't a hoax. Which one is it?
Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.
Well in one sense I doubt that its a hoax, but I also doubt whether it will "save the world" Reading the article it looks like a simple aluminium/copper cell to me, with a bit of hocus-pocus thrown in. We have dis-similar metals in a very weak electrolyte (the liquid of the tree and ground). I suspect it would work much better if the aluminium nail and copper pipe were put into a glass of salt water - rather than ruining a tree!
Filtering current I understand - cleaning it I do not.
Eric
I guess the key to this is the adding of the voltages. Is that something that is relatively simple? Can I take a number of .7 volt feeds and couple them up to produce 12 volts at a usable amperage? In different words could a bushel of 'potato clocks' or a number of tree spikes in this case, be coupled up to run a light or charge a battery?

Define "usable"
I doubt that even with 20 of these you would get much over an amp. About as good as the "Baghdad Battery".

It took over 500 potato's to power a PA Amp.
-- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

X-No-archive: yes On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass >Can the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be

coupled filtered and amplified to produce unlimited, practically free power?
What the hell , It's worth asking.

It gives the meaning "green energy" a whole new meaning! ;)

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Don`t nail copper into a tree it will kill it quickly, Copper nails are how you easily kill a tree you don`t want. Im getting rid of a few maples that way.

m Ransley wrote:

Don`t nail copper into a tree it will kill it quickly, Copper nails are how you easily kill a tree you don`t want. Im getting rid of a few maples that way.
On the other hand, *small* copper nails banged into the trunks of fruit

trees (citrus, particularly) are good for curing a number of ailments. Curly Leaf is one that comes to mind. It's the same thing as adding copper sulphate to the soil, but in a 'slow release' form. I use about 4 nails per tree.

How do you get all those trees into series so a decent voltage can be had for powering my cottage then?
LOL "Anthony Matonak" wrote in message

Seethis Pass wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:28:42 -0800, Anthony Matonak Seethis Pass wrote:
Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. ... Nothing revolutionary about basic chemistry.
Is his claim correct as to wheather the voltage can be filtered and coupled to do work?
I didn't read the website so I don't know what kind of snake oil he's selling but it's a simple battery. Batteries produce DC so there isn't any "filtering" required and it can certainly do work, just like any other kind of battery and with the same limits.
Anthony

I Canada we use Current bushes.
"Steve Spence" wrote in message

It took over 500 potato's to power a PA Amp. -- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html