Electric Car project ?

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time .......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
I know lot of genius and more knowledgeable peoples are here, I would appreciate some input on this project or from any one who has done something similar to this project.

Awsome wrote:

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor.

Well, there is the guy who dropped a 10HP chinese diesel into a Geo...... He hit 50 MPH with it, but, your gonna need more than a 10 HP electric motor with that slightly larger and heavier car. You might want to do some math and find out exactly what you might need. If you just want a simple commuter, you might dig around and find an old GE "Elektrak" garden Tractor. Those came with a 16HP drive motor, and if you can find one with a snowblower or tiller, each of those came with the very same motor. Then you could couple the two motors when more power is needed.
Or, Surplus DC motors can be found via simple googling, and often they can be found affordably. However, it is the "Controller" aspect that is the expensive part. You have to find something that can handle large amperages to give you smooth variable speeds without going up in smoke, and they are not cheap.
Off the shelf controllers specifically for this often already include methods for using the motors for regenerative braking. I read stuff a while back that people were replacing the burned out controls in their Corbin Sparrows with one from another company, but if I recall, that was a thousand dollar project !
Then again, if your just messing around, you could always use a stack of off the shelf 6 volt batteries and use selenoids to just "Add" successive batteries for more voltage, which means faster motor RPM.
I see electrics coming in the future, and I sure like the one shown here : http://www.commutercars.com/
Yep, could be a fun project...... I would want to try to charge the batteries by using a small steam engine just to keep it really interesting.
Grummy

Awsome wrote:

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.

Something like the following: http://www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html

I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.

You might have to remove a couple of seats or something to fit that "small" generator. It might help if it was a high speed rotary diesel with a turbo. They are slightly smaller and lighter if they exist at all.

Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?

Regenerative braking, where you run the motor as a generator to recharge the batteries, uses all of the motor. It's either operating entirely as a motor and pushing the car down the road or operating entirely as a generator and slowing the car.
If you're looking for some magic perpetual motion device (which produces more electricity than it uses) then you're out of luck. No such thing can exist in this universe unless someone rewrites the laws of physics.
Anthony

"Awsome" wrote in message

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
A motor that simultaneously generates torque and charges batteries cannot be

made; it is contrary to the laws of physics. There do exist motors that can generate electric power while exerting a braking action on the car.
But you can't have torque generation and power generation at the same time.
A general comment: Since making a practical electric car has taken billions in research by the major car manufacturers, it is too hard for you to do well. You would end up with a car that had a very low power to weight ratio. Ie., it would be very slow, and it would probably have very little usable space.
Don't bother.

There are kits for the honda civic. Google it
"Awsome" wrote in message

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
I know lot of genius and more knowledgeable peoples are here, I would appreciate some input on this project or from any one who has done something similar to this project.

On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:03:06 -0500, "Awsome" wrote:

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive. Put the diesel on a trailer so you don't have to drag around the extra

weight when running short distances

Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?

Can not be done. At least not with any good results. You CAN have the motor act as a generator when decellerating (regenerative braking) with the right controller.

I know lot of genius and more knowledgeable peoples are here, I would appreciate some input on this project or from any one who has done something similar to this project.
I "did" a '75 Fiat 128L coupe back about 1978. I had a very

rudimentary controller, an aircraft generator for a motor, and 8 6 volt golf cart batteries (GC2H - 235 amp hour). Good for 50 miles at 30mph, or 30 miles at 50 on a charge. >

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:15:45 -0500, "Robert Morein" wrote:

"Awsome" wrote in message I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
A motor that simultaneously generates torque and charges batteries cannot be made; it is contrary to the laws of physics. There do exist motors that can generate electric power while exerting a braking action on the car.
But you can't have torque generation and power generation at the same time.
A general comment: Since making a practical electric car has taken billions in research by the major car manufacturers, it is too hard for you to do well. You would end up with a car that had a very low power to weight ratio. Ie., it would be very slow, and it would probably have very little usable space.
Don't bother.
My Fiat was a full 4 passenger car and could strip the rubber off the

front tires with very little effort. The motor was small for the application, but I ran the 4 speed transmission. Top speed was in excess of 50mph.

Awsome wrote:

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?

I think you are referring to braking regeneration, allowing some of the energy dissipated in braking to flow back to the batteries. Most modern controllers have this function. See the Curtis site.
otherwise there is no energy for "charging" the batteries, as your "generator" would just draw more power from the batteries to run it.

-- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

Awsome wrote:

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
I know lot of genius and more knowledgeable peoples are here, I would appreciate some input on this project or from any one who has done something similar to this project.

Here is a list populated by people who have been doing electric conversions for 30 years or more. http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html ___________ Andre' B.

andre_54005@yahoo.com wrote:

Awsome wrote:
I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
I know lot of genius and more knowledgeable peoples are here, I would appreciate some input on this project or from any one who has done something similar to this project.
Here is a list populated by people who have been doing electric conversions for 30 years or more. http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html ___________ Andre' B.

http://www.electroauto.com/
-- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

Awsome wrote:

I got a wild idea to convert my old Honda Civic into electric car, remove engine and install dc motor with good torque and deep cycle battery bank (like golf cart batteries) to power dc motor. Also install a battery charger in car for charging batteries while parked over night in garage or any other place where AC outlet is available.
I am also thinking to have a small diesel generator in car to charge batteries in case on long drive.
Now back to DC motor..... I am lookin a motor something like half motor and half generator. When motor is in use for driving, the other half side of the motor is also generating electric to charge the batteries same time ......Got the idea ? Now this kinda motor is special, not a normal motor, any one knows or any info on that kinda motor ?
I know lot of genius and more knowledgeable peoples are here, I would appreciate some input on this project or from any one who has done something similar to this project.

I rode in a VW Beetle (old style) that was converted to electric. This was 25 years ago. It had 2 electric industrial mule motors in the back- in place of the engine.Plenty of pick-up and speed (about 45 mph for city driving) It was converted by an electrical engineering prof at Michigan State Univ. in E. Lansing. Can't remember his name.