What We Are Measuring Is Urbanisation Not Climate

We Are Not Skeptical Enough About The Data
November 27 2008

: We are not sceptical enough about the data.

For instance, Plimer cited differences between results from temperature measuring stations in
urban and rural areas.

Those in urbanised Chicago, Berkeley, New York, and
so on, show temperature rises over the past 150 years, whereas those in the
rural US, in Houlton, Albany and Harrisburg (though not Death Valley,
California) show equally consistent cooling.

"What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer said.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/beware-the-church-of-climate-alarm/2008/11/26/1227491635989.html


Warmest Regards

Bonzo

"bnozo" wrote

"What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer said.

How sad for Bonzo that the oceans are warming as well. - where there is no urbanization.
Ahahahahah....
Bonzo the Perptual Loser.

Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.
Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.
And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.
View with mono spaced font.
1958 14.08 *******o*************** 1959 14.06 ********o************ 1960 13.99 *********o****** 1961 14.08 **********o************ 1962 14.04 ***********o******** 1963 14.08 ************o********** 1964 13.79 **===========o 1965 13.89 *********====o 1966 13.97 **************o 1967 14.00 ***************o* 1968 13.96 **************==o 1969 14.08 *****************o***** 1970 14.03 ******************o 1971 13.90 **********=========o 1972 14.00 *****************===o 1973 14.14 ********************o****** 1974 13.92 ***********==========o 1975 13.95 *************=========o 1976 13.84 ******=================o 1977 14.13 ************************o* 1978 14.02 ******************=======o 1979 14.09 ***********************===o 1980 14.18 ***************************o** 1981 14.27 ****************************o******* 1982 14.05 ********************========o 1983 14.26 *****************************o***** 1984 14.09 ***********************=======o 1985 14.06 *********************==========o 1986 14.13 **************************======o 1987 14.27 *********************************o** 1988 14.31 **********************************o**** 1989 14.19 ******************************=====o 1990 14.38 ************************************o******* 1991 14.35 ************************************o**** 1992 14.12 *************************============o 1993 14.14 ****************************===========o 1994 14.24 **********************************=====o 1995 14.38 ****************************************o*** 1996 14.30 **************************************===o 1997 14.40 ******************************************o** 1998 14.57 *******************************************o************* 1999 14.33 ****************************************===o 2000 14.33 ****************************************====o 2001 14.48 *********************************************o***** 2002 14.56 **********************************************o********* 2003 14.55 ***********************************************o******* 2004 14.49 ************************************************o** 2005 14.62 *************************************************o********** 2006 14.54 **************************************************o**** 2007 14.56 ***************************************************o***** -------------------------------------------> Temperature
Correlation Coefficient .8529209
Source NASAS -> http://data.giss.nasa.gov:80/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMu14mBXAs

On Nov 26, 9:20�pm, "bnozo" wrote:

"V for Vendicar" wrote in message
"bnozo" wrote "What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer said.
�How sad for Bonzo that the oceans are warming as well. -
Oh really???

YES, BONZO, REALLY! The oceans are warming.

Correcting Ocean Cooling: NASA Changes Data to Fit the Models

Here are data from Britain's Hadley Centre, not NASA. They start in 1850, years before NASA was born. They clearly show that our planet's oceans are warming, and there are very few urban centers in the sea.
Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from 1850 to 2007. Please see:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadsst2gl.txt
The yearly means of these data are graphed here:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg
Look at the graph, Bonzo. The oceans were warming before NASA existed and urban centers have nothing to do with this warming trend.

"V for Vendicar" wrote in message

"bnozo" wrote "What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer said.
How sad for Bonzo that the oceans are warming as well. -

Oh really???

Correcting Ocean Cooling: NASA Changes Data to Fit the Models
November 11 2008

NASA scientist, Josh Willis, was so concerned that his data, showing ocean cooling, did not fit the official consensus on climate change that he searched for a solution. Eventually he "applied a correction" so the historical ocean temperature record showed a relatively steady increase in line with the climate models.

Perhaps Dr Willis really did get it wrong between 2003 and 2005 when his data showed a large decrease in the heat content of the ocean. But after reading his justification for the correction, I am not convinced. Indeed and I am left wondering how to ever trust the official temperature record again.

This is Dr Willis' story:
On a Thursday evening in February 2007, Josh Willis stood in front of his laptop, his wife cajoling him to get ready to go out to dinner. He looked with a sinking feeling at the map he had just made. Willis, a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, specializes in making estimates of how much heat the ocean stores from year to year. Read more �

http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/



Warmest Regards

Bonzo

On Nov 26, 10:30�pm, "bnozo" wrote:

We Are Not Skeptical Enough About The Data
November 27 2008
: We are not sceptical enough about the data.
For instance, Plimer cited differences between results from temperature measuring stations in
urban and rural areas.
Those in urbanised Chicago, Berkeley, New York, and
so on, show temperature rises over the past 150 years, whereas those in the
rural US, in Houlton, Albany and Harrisburg (though not Death Valley,
California) show equally consistent cooling.
"What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer said.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/beware-the-church-o...
Warmest Regards
Bonzo

all that urbanization in siberia and the middle of the oceans, eh?

On Nov 29, 10:24�am, z wrote:

On Nov 26, 10:30�pm, "bnozo" wrote:

We Are Not Skeptical Enough About The Data
November 27 2008
: We are not sceptical enough about the data.
For instance, Plimer cited differences between results from temperature measuring stations in
urban and rural areas.
Those in urbanised Chicago, Berkeley, New York, and
so on, show temperature rises over the past 150 years, whereas those in the
rural US, in Houlton, Albany and Harrisburg (though not Death Valley,
California) show equally consistent cooling.
"What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer said.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/beware-the-church-o...
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
all that urbanization in siberia and the middle of the oceans, eh?

It still makes sense when you consider that trawling has almost totally desertised the places they can reach.
Most weather stations are in places where most people live and they see an upsurge from the two world war baby booms. A series that continues every 20 to 25 years following the period doubling or increase.
With a striking figure seen after WW 2, the next generation also exhibits traces somewhat less marked but still marked in the region of 20 to 25 years. And that too will show up again in another 20 to 30 years.
It takes a considerable time lapse to level off.