Stubborn Glaciers Fail To Retreat, Awkward Polar Bears Conti

Christopher Booker
November 23 2008

QUOTE: the American Meteorological Society found that glaciers are only shrinking in the eastern Himalayas. Further west, in the Hindu Kush and the Karakoram, glaciers are "thickening and expanding".



Second only to the melting of the Arctic ice and those "drowning" polar bears, there is no scare with which the global warmists, led by Al Gore, more like to chill our blood than the fast-vanishing glaciers of the Himalayas, which help to provide water for a sixth of mankind...

Recently one newspaper published large pictures to illustrate the alarming retreat in the past 40 years of the Rongbuk glacier below Everest. Indian meteorologists, it was reported, were warning that, thanks to global warming, all the Himalayan glaciers could have disappeared by 2035.

Yet two days earlier a report by the UN Environment Program had claimed that the cause of the melting glaciers was not global warming but the local warming effect of a vast "atmospheric brown cloud" hanging over that region, made up of soot particles from Asia's dramatically increased burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.

Furthermore a British study published two years ago by the American Meteorological Society found that glaciers are only shrinking in the eastern Himalayas. Further west, in the Hindu Kush and the Karakoram, glaciers are "thickening and expanding".

Meanwhile, all last week, ITV News was running a series of wearisomely familiar scare stories on the disappearing Arctic ice and those "doomed" polar bears - without telling its viewers that satellite images now show ice cover above its 30-year average, or that polar bear numbers are at record level.

But then "polar bears not drowning after all - as snow falls over large parts of Britain" doesn't really make a story.

http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=2136


Warmest Regards

Bonzo

bnzoo wrote:

Christopher Booker
November 23 2008

Bonzo, when you quote op-ed pieces like this, you should check who wrote them first. Here's what Wiki has to say about Christopher Booker:
"Booker's articles in The Daily Telegraph on asbestos and also on global warming have been challenged by George Monbiot in an article in The Guardian newspaper [1]. .... Christopher Booker's scientific claims about asbestos have been criticized several times by the UK government's Health and Safety Executive. In 2002, the HSE's Director General, Timothy Walker, wrote that Booker's articles on asbestos had been "misinformed and do little to increase public understanding of a very important occupational health issue."[5].
In 2005, the Health and Safety Executive issued a rebuttal[6] after Christopher Booker wrote an article suggesting, incorrectly, that the HSE had agreed with him that white asbestos posed "no medical risk"[7]. ...."
And here is part of that Guardian article, go google it yourself... "For several years he [Booker] has been waging a similar war against "warmist alarmists", by which he means climate scientists. Nine days ago, for instance, he attacked Michael Mann for publishing a paper that shows (alongside scores of other studies) that global temperatures do indeed follow the famous hockey-stick pattern: a moderate long-term cooling trend terminating in a sudden upward bend. Mann, Booker told his readers, had been "selective ... in his new data, excluding anything which confirmed the Medieval Warming". But Mann's paper, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, uses every uncluttered high-resolution proxy temperature record in the public domain. How did Booker trip up so badly? By using the claims of unqualified bloggers to refute peer-reviewed studies.
Under their guidance he routinely mistakes weather for climate and makes claims about the temperature record that bear no relation to the studies he cites. My favourite Booker column is the piece he wrote in February, titled "So it appears that Arctic ice isn't vanishing after all". In September 2007, he reported, "sea ice cover had shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded. But for some reason the warmists are less keen on the latest satellite findings, reported by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ... Its graph of northern hemisphere sea ice area, which shows the ice shrinking from 13,000 million sq km to just 4 million from the start of 2007 to October, also shows it now almost back to 13 million sq km". To reinforce this point, he helpfully republished the graph, showing that the ice had indeed expanded between September and January. The Sunday Telegraph continues to employ a man who cannot tell the difference between summer and winter."
So there you are , Bonzo, relying on the man who tells us asbestos is as harmless as talcm powder.

Tom P wrote:

bnzoo wrote: Christopher Booker
November 23 2008
Bonzo, when you quote op-ed pieces like this, you should check who wrote them first. Here's what Wiki has to say about Christopher Booker: "Booker's articles in The Daily Telegraph on asbestos and also on global warming have been challenged by George Monbiot in an article in The Guardian newspaper [1]. ... Christopher Booker's scientific claims about asbestos have been criticized several times by the UK government's Health and Safety Executive. In 2002, the HSE's Director General, Timothy Walker, wrote that Booker's articles on asbestos had been "misinformed and do little to increase public understanding of a very important occupational health issue."[5].
In 2005, the Health and Safety Executive issued a rebuttal[6] after Christopher Booker wrote an article suggesting, incorrectly, that the HSE had agreed with him that white asbestos posed "no medical risk"[7]. ..."
And here is part of that Guardian article, go google it yourself... "For several years he [Booker] has been waging a similar war against "warmist alarmists", by which he means climate scientists. Nine days ago, for instance, he attacked Michael Mann for publishing a paper that shows (alongside scores of other studies) that global temperatures do indeed follow the famous hockey-stick pattern: a moderate long-term cooling trend terminating in a sudden upward bend. Mann, Booker told his readers, had been "selective ... in his new data, excluding anything which confirmed the Medieval Warming". But Mann's paper, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, uses every uncluttered high-resolution proxy temperature record in the public domain. How did Booker trip up so badly? By using the claims of unqualified bloggers to refute peer-reviewed studies. Under their guidance he routinely mistakes weather for climate and makes claims about the temperature record that bear no relation to the studies he cites. My favourite Booker column is the piece he wrote in February, titled "So it appears that Arctic ice isn't vanishing after all". In September 2007, he reported, "sea ice cover had shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded. But for some reason the warmists are less keen on the latest satellite findings, reported by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ... Its graph of northern hemisphere sea ice area, which shows the ice shrinking from 13,000 million sq km to just 4 million from the start of 2007 to October, also shows it now almost back to 13 million sq km". To reinforce this point, he helpfully republished the graph, showing that the ice had indeed expanded between September and January. The Sunday Telegraph continues to employ a man who cannot tell the difference between summer and winter." So there you are , Bonzo, relying on the man who tells us asbestos is as harmless as talcm powder.

Bonzo doesn't care, he posts quantity, not quality. He's been known to repeat the most ridiculous, empty propaganda articles as many as 15 times a day here. You'll never make a dent.

"john fernbach" wrote in message On Nov 24, 4:39 pm, Tunderbar wrote:

On Nov 24, 2:18 pm, "marcodbeast" wrote: I wouldn't be that amazed if in a mere 5,000 years, or even in a

measly 1,000 years, human civilization might well be able to adapt -- and adapt rather well -- to many or most of the bad things that "global warming" is likely to deliver on our doorstep in, say, the next century. **************************************************
Almost forgot ...
Disclaimer
The projections are based on results from computer models that involve
simplifications of real physical processes that are not fully understood.
Accordingly, no responsibility will be accepted for the accuracy of
the projections inferred from this brochure or for any person's
interpretations, deductions, conclusions or actions in reliance on this
information.

And further:
Climate model responses are most uncertain in how they represent feedback
effects, particularly those dealing with changes to cloud regimes,
biological effects and ocean-atmosphere interactions. The coarse spatial
resolution of climate models also remains a limitation on their ability to
simulate the details of regional climate change. Future climate change will
also be influenced by other, largely unpredictable, factors such as changes
in solar radiation, volcanic eruptions and chaotic variations within the
climate system itself. Rapid climate change, or a step-like climate response
to the enhanced greenhouse effect, is possible but its likelihood cannot be
defined. Because changes outside the ranges given here cannot be ruled out,
these projections should be considered with caution.

Warmest Regards
Bonzo

"john fernbach" wrote in message On Nov 24, 3:15 pm, Tunderbar wrote: Even in Europe, there's a big tourist industry that's grown up around skiing and other winter sports in the Swiss Alps, and I've seen the usual gaggle of Green alarmists (people like me!) warning that the melting of the Alpine glaciers therefore could have very bad effects on the existing Swiss economy. *******************************************
ROTFLMAO
Ski Resorts Around The World Open Early, As Global Cooling Takes Hold
The ice man cometh despite vehement protestation from our alarmist friends!
17 Nov 2008?

Skiinfo.com, is reporting bumper pre-season snow across the northern hemisphere with the Alps, Pyrenees, Scandinavia and the Rockies all receiving huge early snow falls.an increasing number of resorts in Canada, Italy, Norway, Austria, Spain, Switzerland and the US have opened up to a month earlier than planned.

The last southern hemisphere resort, Mt Ruapehu in New Zealand, winds up its 2008 record-snow season this weekend.

However some of the deepest snow depths - with over 1.5 metres (five feet) of fresh powder are at glacier resorts that are already open, amongst them Saas Fee and Zermatt in Switzerland, Tignes in France, Tux in Austria and Passo Tonale in Italy - setting up for a spectacular 2008-9 season in the Alps.

The Pyrenees has seen superb snowfalls on French, Andorran and Spanish resorts.

In Alberta, Canada, the third of Banff's ski areas, Sunshine, joins the other two, Lake Louise and Mount Norquay, which opened last weekend. Nearby Marmot Basin by the town of Jasper is also opening, on the earliest date in its nearly 50 year history.

In the US, Mammoth in California opened 10 days early and is joined by Killington, Vermont, Breckenridge and Keystone in Colorado and Snowbird Utah.

http://nieveyalgomas.blogspot.com/2008/11/snow-vember-sees-ski-resorts-open-early.html
Thanks to Marc Morano for this link

See also: Ski industry predicts boom as cold sets in
17 Nov 08 - Early snowfall on Europe's slopes points to bumper season for Alpine resorts

http://www.iceagenow.com/Snow-vember_Sees_Ski_Resorts_Open_Early_Around_The_World.htm



Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Bonzo - It's good to see that the European ski resorts, after several bad years in a row, this year appear to be having a pretty good season.
We'll have to see what happens next year.
On Nov 24, 10:46�pm, "bnzoo" wrote:

"john fernbach" wrote in message
On Nov 24, 3:15 pm, Tunderbar wrote: Even in Europe, there's a big tourist industry that's grown up around skiing and other winter sports in the Swiss Alps, and I've seen the usual gaggle of Green alarmists (people like me!) warning that the melting of the Alpine glaciers therefore could have very bad effects on the existing Swiss economy. *******************************************
ROTFLMAO
Ski Resorts Around The World Open Early, As Global Cooling Takes Hold
The ice man cometh despite vehement protestation from our alarmist friends!
17 Nov 2008?
Skiinfo.com, is reporting bumper pre-season snow across the northern hemisphere with the Alps, Pyrenees, Scandinavia and the Rockies all receiving huge early snow falls.an increasing number of resorts in Canada, Italy, Norway, Austria, Spain, Switzerland and the US have opened up to a month earlier than planned.
The last southern hemisphere resort, Mt Ruapehu in New Zealand, winds up its 2008 record-snow season this weekend.
However some of the deepest snow depths - with over 1.5 metres (five feet) of fresh powder are at glacier resorts that are already open, amongst them Saas Fee and Zermatt in Switzerland, Tignes in France, Tux in Austria and Passo Tonale in Italy - setting up for a spectacular 2008-9 season in the Alps.
The Pyrenees has seen superb snowfalls on French, Andorran and Spanish resorts.
In Alberta, Canada, the third of Banff's ski areas, Sunshine, joins the other two, Lake Louise and Mount Norquay, which opened last weekend. Nearby Marmot Basin by the town of Jasper is also opening, on the earliest date in its nearly 50 year history.
In the US, Mammoth in California opened 10 days early and is joined by Killington, Vermont, Breckenridge and Keystone in Colorado and Snowbird Utah.
http://nieveyalgomas.blogspot.com/2008/11/snow-vember-sees-ski-resort...
Thanks to Marc Morano for this link
See also: Ski industry predicts boom as cold sets in
17 Nov 08 - Early snowfall on Europe's slopes points to bumper season for Alpine resorts
http://www.iceagenow.com/Snow-vember_Sees_Ski_Resorts_Open_Early_Arou...
Warmest Regards
Bonzo