Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly

Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly ... Gregory A. Paw announced that an Idaho man has been sentenced to prison for stealing ... http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.energy.hydrogen/2006-11/msg00069.html
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Laurence Sheldon wrote:

Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly ... Gregory A. Paw announced that an Idaho man has been sentenced to prison for stealing ... http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.energy.hydrogen/2006-11/msg00069.html
Idaho man going to jail for fuel cell investment scam | Cleantech ... Idaho man going to jail for fuel cell investment scam ... but it was really nothing more than a hydrogen fuel cell demonstrator that you could purchase in a ... http://media.cleantech.com/364/idaho-man-going-to-jail-for-fuel-cell-i

Brilliant news !
Graham

On Sep 2, 5:23�am, Eeyore wrote:

Laurence Sheldon wrote: Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly ... Gregory A. Paw announced that an Idaho man has been sentenced to prison for stealing .... http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.energy.hydrogen/2006-11/msg00...
Idaho man going to jail for fuel cell investment scam | Cleantech ... Idaho man going to jail for fuel cell investment scam ... but it was really nothing more than a hydrogen fuel cell demonstrator that you could purchase in a ... http://media.cleantech.com/364/idaho-man-going-to-jail-for-fuel-cell-i
Brilliant news !
Graham

Graham, I'm an 'old fart' that can tell you I remember very similair scams being pitched every fall at every state fair here in the US. My first year to attend a state fair was in 1949, and while I was only 11 years-old at the time, I was facinated by the 'pitchman' and his well honed skill at selling what amounted to 'smoke and mirrors'. (Even today I collect some of the pitches used for entertainment, as do many others. I found them entertaining when I was 11, and still do.) The closest thing to the 'state fair' pitchman, are some of today "Infomercials" seen on US television today.
Today, many shady schemes involve investment scams, and until they grow to a certain size, they are very difficult for the states or federal government to prosecute. The problem is that it can cost millions of dollars to prosecute even one case, so the prosecution rightully reserves its budget for the prosecution of the most egregious offenders. I believe that the same situation exists in the UK, because I have a close friend who likes to tell tales of the "Tinkers", who evidently are of the same ilk as what are caller 'scammers' here in the US. Those here in the US are likely to be associated with a mobile, well organized group of scammers that here are called "Irish Travellers". They are very difficult to prosecute, but they operate on a hit and run basis, usually using some trivial thing like driveway coating or roof repair as the basis for their scam. By the time a homeowner notices that his driveway has been coated with nothing but used engine oil, the group has vanished to a different state.
It please me to no end that Patrick Kelly went to prison for his particular water-to-hydrogen scam. BRAVO! It seems that good old Patrick was stupid enough to perpetrate his fraud from the same location much too long, or else grew to a scale that justified the cost of prosecution. Even Irish Travellers know better than to make this mistake. Patrick was either so greed or so stupid, that he didn't know when to pull the plug and move on.
Graham, I hope that it doesn't offend you that I find scams like this entertaining, but criminals like these are usually not violent individuals, and nearly always exploit the greed on the part of the mark. It's pretty difficult to defraud an honest man, or a person who realizes that their is no free lunch.
The Internet is a prime locatin for the scammers to do their thing, because there are so very many clueless people today surfing the Internet. It an environment quite similar to state fairs, where often clueless rural people get their very first taste of the 'big world'.
Again, I love the pitchman's craft. He can pitch a crappy modified can opener, and do it so well that he has people elbowing each other out of the way to purchase one for ONLY $10. In addition to opening cans, this wonderful device which you will wonder how you ever lived without can also slice and dice...etc.
Actaully, in US politicks, this is quite like Obama's pitch for the US presidency.
Harry C,.

Petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies.
Ah, what cute liars you are.
Kelly told Judge Thomas Kelly (no relation) that he takes responsibility for his actions. "I really believed in this project. We worked very hard on this project for seven years. The choices I made were with the expectation the project would go well."
The judge dismissed charges against codefen dant John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif., at the request of Yoka's defense lawyer, Eric Marcy. Marcy had given Flor a "six-inch tall file" of evidence showing that Yoka was merely Kelly's employee and not involved in the swindle. Yoka, who holds five patents, was to be paid in company stock, Flor said. He added: "No one would agree to accept stock unless he believed it was a legitimate company. It is unusual for white-collar criminals to face such stiff jail sen tences". Also, Kelly had exonerated Yoka during his guilty plea hearing. http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6461.html
For some magical reason the GOV page is entitled:
"Idaho Man Sentenced for Stealing Funds Invested in Bogus Fuel Technology Venture"
http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases06/pr20061109d.html
This while it's clear that Keely was not convicted for "Bogus tech" nor was he the inventor or even the patent holder. That same pages states the judge dismissed charges in the case against a second man, John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif.
Thus, the "second man" who holds the patents was not convicted. This means there is nothing to back up the claims of "Bogus Fuel Tech". He was convicted for using the investment money to buy unrelated things. The US GOV does just about anything to brand Hydrogen as "Bogus", the conviction was poorly supported and the claim it was Bogus was not supported at all.
This is a news group, this stuff happened years ago. The people posting in this topic all have an agenda to debunk this. Most likely they are US GOV or slaves thereof.
Remember how Stanley Meyer was convicted for investment fraud? This while the patent office granted him a patent that can only be obtained after examination of a working model. A construction can only be patented if it follow mainstream science. Meyer's cell was clearly not mainstream science.
But look on the web how the FRAUD case is championed as if it's a peer review of the technology. Technically the case never happened because it was not recorded. The judge ordering the recording equipment switched off is a far greater crime than Meyer having to refund TWO out of hundreds of investors.
Here is another case: http://geetfriends.net
Here we do have court recordings. Paul Pantone is clearly being tortured to death for no other reason then his invention, his conviction was suspended for years now. Years beyond maximum sentence. If they convict him they will have to release him immediately.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2# http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl
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Watch Century of the Self on Youtube and Archive.org (How corporations, politicians and governments use psychology to make you choose things using techniques pioneered by Sigmund Frued and Edward Bernays, the American father of public relations/propaganda!)

Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly Water to Hydrogen scam - Jail for Patrick Kelly ... Gregory A. Paw announced that an Idaho man has been sentenced to prison for stealing ... http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.energy.hydrogen/2006-11/ msg00069.html
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Serves him right! A fuel cell is like a battery, a tank of hydrogen is the charge. The Hydrogen wants to recombine with Oxygen, that releases energy. You can't get something for nothing, water is NOT a fuel, it takes energy to separate the H and the O, there is no free ride!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------- BTW, read "Internal Combustion" by Edwin Black, we could have had plug-in hybrids decades and decades ago, but that messes with Big Oil & GM's crooked business model! (High Maintenance vehicles + fuel hungry customers)=$$$$$
Thomas Edison & Henry Ford wanted to have Electric Cars with home charging wind power and long lasting Nickel Iron batteries before 1920! But guess who derailed that plan? Evil GM and others!
The free market only equals progress if everyone profits from progress.
GM would have made less money (in the short term) so they sabotaged a cleaner American future a LONG time ago!

john dough wrote:

Thomas Edison & Henry Ford wanted to have Electric Cars with home charging wind power and long lasting Nickel Iron batteries before 1920! But guess who derailed that plan? Evil GM and others!

The EV market of the day died of its own accord numbnuts.

On Sep 10, 6:31�am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:

Petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies.
Ah, what cute liars you are.
Kelly told Judge Thomas Kelly (no relation) that he takes responsibility for his actions. "I really believed in this project. We worked very hard on this project for seven years. The choices I made were with the expectation the project would go well."
The judge dismissed charges against codefen dant John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif., at the request of Yoka's defense lawyer, Eric Marcy. Marcy had given Flor a "six-inch tall file" of evidence showing that Yoka was merely Kelly's employee and not involved in the swindle. Yoka, who holds five patents, was to be paid in company stock, Flor said. He added: "No one would agree to accept stock unless he believed it was a legitimate company. �It is unusual for white-collar criminals to face such stiff jail sen tences". Also, Kelly had exonerated Yoka during his guilty plea hearing.http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6461..html
For some magical reason the GOV page is entitled:
"Idaho Man Sentenced for Stealing Funds Invested in Bogus Fuel Technology Venture"
http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases06/pr20061109d.html
This while it's clear that Keely was not convicted for "Bogus tech" nor was he the inventor or even the patent holder. That same pages states the judge dismissed charges in the case against a second man, John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif.
Thus, the "second man" who holds the patents was not convicted. This means there is nothing to back up the claims of "Bogus Fuel Tech". He was convicted for using the investment money to buy unrelated things. The US GOV does just about anything to brand Hydrogen as "Bogus", the conviction was poorly supported and the claim it was Bogus was not supported at all.
This is a news group, this stuff happened years ago. The people posting in this topic all have an agenda to debunk this. Most likely they are US GOV or slaves thereof.
Remember how Stanley Meyer was convicted for investment fraud? This while the patent office granted him a patent that can only be obtained after examination of a working model. A construction can only be patented if it follow mainstream science. Meyer's cell was clearly not mainstream science.
But look on the web how the FRAUD case is championed as if it's a peer review of the technology. Technically the case never happened because it was not recorded. The judge ordering the recording equipment switched off is a far greater crime than Meyer having to refund TWO out of hundreds of investors.
Here is another case:http://geetfriends.net
Here we do have court recordings. Paul Pantone is clearly being tortured to death for no other reason then his invention, his conviction was suspended for years now. Years beyond maximum sentence. If they convict him they will have to release him �immediately.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE

http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2# http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl

Post your petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies below.

On Sep 26, 5:12�am, "Don Kelly" wrote:

I looked at the magnet motor video- supposedly it tries to prove something - but doesn't.

I'm not sure what video you are talking about.
But no video can try to prove anything.
It invites you to think about the topic.
Everything you see around you started out as an idea.
Your idea is not the idea in the video.
Videos are most suitable for lazy people.
Laziness is the source of all ideas.
Then the creative process starts and with devotion we work at our idea.
The destination isn't really important, the journey is all that counts.
People don't appreciate things if they didn't bleed and sweat to obtain it.
This is obviously because there isn't anything to appreciate in the thing it self.
The journey not the destination.
The accomplishment not the medal.
The fun is in writing this not in having you read it.
Simple as that. :o)
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

---------------------------- wrote in message On Sep 10, 6:31 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:

Petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies.
Ah, what cute liars you are.
Kelly told Judge Thomas Kelly (no relation) that he takes responsibility for his actions. "I really believed in this project. We worked very hard on this project for seven years. The choices I made were with the expectation the project would go well."
The judge dismissed charges against codefen dant John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif., at the request of Yoka's defense lawyer, Eric Marcy. Marcy had given Flor a "six-inch tall file" of evidence showing that Yoka was merely Kelly's employee and not involved in the swindle. Yoka, who holds five patents, was to be paid in company stock, Flor said. He added: "No one would agree to accept stock unless he believed it was a legitimate company. It is unusual for white-collar criminals to face such stiff jail sen tences". Also, Kelly had exonerated Yoka during his guilty plea hearing.http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6461.html
For some magical reason the GOV page is entitled:
"Idaho Man Sentenced for Stealing Funds Invested in Bogus Fuel Technology Venture" ---------------------

I looked at the magnet motor video- supposedly it tries to prove something - but doesn't. No cigar because there is no measurement of either input or output (including any initial impetus). Permanent magnet motors with no external input are a dime a dozen and actually worth less than that. The energy (and in this exhibition it appears to be only the small energy to overcome friction which could be applied externally on starting) from the permanent magnet will be the same after 1 revolution as it was at the start of the revolution as the geometry of the situation will be the same. If , however, the magnet was supplying energy, there is only a limited and rather small energy stored in the magnets and when this is used up, the magnets will be demagnetized. So- where is the energy source?

--
Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca remove the X to answer

http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases06/pr20061109d.html
This while it's clear that Keely was not convicted for "Bogus tech" nor was he the inventor or even the patent holder. That same pages states the judge dismissed charges in the case against a second man, John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif.
Thus, the "second man" who holds the patents was not convicted. This means there is nothing to back up the claims of "Bogus Fuel Tech". He was convicted for using the investment money to buy unrelated things. The US GOV does just about anything to brand Hydrogen as "Bogus", the conviction was poorly supported and the claim it was Bogus was not supported at all.
This is a news group, this stuff happened years ago. The people posting in this topic all have an agenda to debunk this. Most likely they are US GOV or slaves thereof.
Remember how Stanley Meyer was convicted for investment fraud? This while the patent office granted him a patent that can only be obtained after examination of a working model. A construction can only be patented if it follow mainstream science. Meyer's cell was clearly not mainstream science.
But look on the web how the FRAUD case is championed as if it's a peer review of the technology. Technically the case never happened because it was not recorded. The judge ordering the recording equipment switched off is a far greater crime than Meyer having to refund TWO out of hundreds of investors.
Here is another case:http://geetfriends.net
Here we do have court recordings. Paul Pantone is clearly being tortured to death for no other reason then his invention, his conviction was suspended for years now. Years beyond maximum sentence. If they convict him they will have to release him immediately.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE

http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2# http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl

Post your petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies below.

Petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies.
Ah, what cute liars you are.
Kelly told Judge Thomas Kelly (no relation) that he takes responsibility for his actions. "I really believed in this project. We worked very hard on this project for seven years. The choices I made were with the expectation the project would go well."
The judge dismissed charges against codefen dant John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif., at the request of Yoka's defense lawyer, Eric Marcy. Marcy had given Flor a "six-inch tall file" of evidence showing that Yoka was merely Kelly's employee and not involved in the swindle. Yoka, who holds five patents, was to be paid in company stock, Flor said. He added: "No one would agree to accept stock unless he believed it was a legitimate company. It is unusual for white-collar criminals to face such stiff jail sen tences". Also, Kelly had exonerated Yoka during his guilty plea hearing. http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6461.html
For some magical reason the GOV page is entitled:
"Idaho Man Sentenced for Stealing Funds Invested in Bogus Fuel Technology Venture"
http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases06/pr20061109d.html
This while it's clear that Keely was not convicted for "Bogus tech" nor was he the inventor or even the patent holder. That same pages states the judge dismissed charges in the case against a second man, John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif.
Thus, the "second man" who holds the patents was not convicted. This means there is nothing to back up the claims of "Bogus Fuel Tech". He was convicted for using the investment money to buy unrelated things. The US GOV does just about anything to brand Hydrogen as "Bogus", the conviction was poorly supported and the claim it was Bogus was not supported at all.
This is a news group, this stuff happened years ago. The people posting in this topic all have an agenda to debunk this. Most likely they are US GOV or slaves thereof.
Remember how Stanley Meyer was convicted for investment fraud? This while the patent office granted him a patent that can only be obtained after examination of a working model. A construction can only be patented if it follow mainstream science. Meyer's cell was clearly not mainstream science.
But look on the web how the FRAUD case is championed as if it's a peer review of the technology. Technically the case never happened because it was not recorded. The judge ordering the recording equipment switched off is a far greater crime than Meyer having to refund TWO out of hundreds of investors.
Here is another case: http://geetfriends.net
Here we do have court recordings. Paul Pantone is clearly being tortured to death for no other reason then his invention, his conviction was suspended for years now. Years beyond maximum sentence. If they convict him they will have to release him immediately.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2# http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl
Post your petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies below.

On Sep 27, 3:08�am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:

Petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies.
Ah, what cute liars you are.
Kelly told Judge Thomas Kelly (no relation) that he takes responsibility for his actions. "I really believed in this project. We worked very hard on this project for seven years. The choices I made were with the expectation the project would go well."
The judge dismissed charges against codefen dant John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif., at the request of Yoka's defense lawyer, Eric Marcy. Marcy had given Flor a "six-inch tall file" of evidence showing that Yoka was merely Kelly's employee and not involved in the swindle. Yoka, who holds five patents, was to be paid in company stock, Flor said. He added: "No one would agree to accept stock unless he believed it was a legitimate company. �It is unusual for white-collar criminals to face such stiff jail sen tences". Also, Kelly had exonerated Yoka during his guilty plea hearing.http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6461..html
For some magical reason the GOV page is entitled:
"Idaho Man Sentenced for Stealing Funds Invested in Bogus Fuel Technology Venture"
http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases06/pr20061109d.html
This while it's clear that Keely was not convicted for "Bogus tech" nor was he the inventor or even the patent holder. That same pages states the judge dismissed charges in the case against a second man, John Yoka, 35, of Livermore, Calif.
Thus, the "second man" who holds the patents was not convicted. This means there is nothing to back up the claims of "Bogus Fuel Tech". He was convicted for using the investment money to buy unrelated things. The US GOV does just about anything to brand Hydrogen as "Bogus", the conviction was poorly supported and the claim it was Bogus was not supported at all.
This is a news group, this stuff happened years ago. The people posting in this topic all have an agenda to debunk this. Most likely they are US GOV or slaves thereof.
Remember how Stanley Meyer was convicted for investment fraud? This while the patent office granted him a patent that can only be obtained after examination of a working model. A construction can only be patented if it follow mainstream science. Meyer's cell was clearly not mainstream science.
But look on the web how the FRAUD case is championed as if it's a peer review of the technology. Technically the case never happened because it was not recorded. The judge ordering the recording equipment switched off is a far greater crime than Meyer having to refund TWO out of hundreds of investors.
Here is another case:http://geetfriends.net
Here we do have court recordings. Paul Pantone is clearly being tortured to death for no other reason then his invention, his conviction was suspended for years now. Years beyond maximum sentence. If they convict him they will have to release him �immediately.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwEhttp://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2#http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpresshttp://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nlhttp://magnetmotor.go-here.nl
Post your petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic lies below.

moar lies please petroapologists?
lie moar please?