Recipe for Gasoline

Take 1 measure each of ethanol, water and toluene. Mix 'em up and what have you got? Home made petrol. Add a dash of acetone to improve combustability.
People are making biodeisel from waste food oil that is mixed at elevated temperature with caustic soda and they get Diesel fuel and glycerol. You can add the glycerol to your vehicle coolant for antifreeze.
Why is it that more people are not making their own gasoline? Oh, and the other thing, I'm shooting in the dark about the petrol recipe but it appears to me that ethanol will burn even with 50% water added and that some petroleums are largely paint stripper - toluene. If water doen't mix with toluene and ethanol mixes with both toluene and water then this is the way to make ordinarily immicible products miscible. Much like detergent and oil mixed together will blend with water.
Whereas this message is a bit of a troll my notion is to introduce a subject that others may comment on and perhaps some bright spark - probably an industrial chemist will enter the fray and give us some ideas about making one's own petrol. Provided that the raw materials can be purchased relatively cheaply in bulk it may turn out that home-made gasoline is cheaper than the stuff at the pump.
-- Regards, Peter. http://www.pelicom.net.nz

"Peter Lowrie" wrote in message

Take 1 measure each of ethanol, water and toluene. Mix 'em up and what have you got? Home made petrol. Add a dash of acetone to improve combustability.
People are making biodeisel from waste food oil that is mixed at elevated temperature with caustic soda and they get Diesel fuel and glycerol. You can add the glycerol to your vehicle coolant for antifreeze.
Why is it that more people are not making their own gasoline? Oh, and the

Because what got there is not 'petrol', but garbage

other thing, I'm shooting in the dark about the petrol recipe but it appears to me that ethanol will burn even with 50% water added and that some petroleums are largely paint stripper - toluene. If water doen't mix with toluene and ethanol mixes with both toluene and water then this is the way to make ordinarily immicible products miscible. Much like detergent and oil mixed together will blend with water.
Whereas this message is a bit of a troll my notion is to introduce a subject that others may comment on and perhaps some bright spark - probably an industrial chemist will enter the fray and give us some ideas about making one's own petrol. Provided that the raw materials can be purchased relatively cheaply in bulk it may turn out that home-made gasoline is cheaper than the stuff at the pump.
-- Regards, Peter. http://www.pelicom.net.nz

Peter Lowrie wrote:

Take 1 measure each of ethanol, water and toluene. Mix 'em up and what have you got? Home made petrol. Add a dash of acetone to improve combustability.

And the cost would be ?

People are making biodeisel from waste food oil that is mixed at elevated temperature with caustic soda and they get Diesel fuel and glycerol. You can add the glycerol to your vehicle coolant for antifreeze.
Why is it that more people are not making their own gasoline? Oh, and the other thing, I'm shooting in the dark about the petrol recipe but it appears to me that ethanol will burn even with 50% water added and that some petroleums are largely paint stripper - toluene. If water doen't mix with toluene and ethanol mixes with both toluene and water then this is the way to make ordinarily immicible products miscible. Much like detergent and oil mixed together will blend with water.
Whereas this message is a bit of a troll my notion is to introduce a subject that others may comment on and perhaps some bright spark - probably an industrial chemist will enter the fray and give us some ideas about making one's own petrol. Provided that the raw materials can be purchased relatively cheaply in bulk it may turn out that home-made gasoline is cheaper than the stuff at the pump.

Why is it that more people are not making their own gasoline?
Because they live in condos?

They need to remove water in the process making ethanol. Why do you need to add water in it?
"Peter Lowrie" wrote in message

Take 1 measure each of ethanol, water and toluene. Mix 'em up and what have you got? Home made petrol. Add a dash of acetone to improve combustability.
People are making biodeisel from waste food oil that is mixed at elevated temperature with caustic soda and they get Diesel fuel and glycerol. You can add the glycerol to your vehicle coolant for antifreeze.
Why is it that more people are not making their own gasoline? Oh, and the other thing, I'm shooting in the dark about the petrol recipe but it appears to me that ethanol will burn even with 50% water added and that some petroleums are largely paint stripper - toluene. If water doen't mix with toluene and ethanol mixes with both toluene and water then this is the way to make ordinarily immicible products miscible. Much like detergent and oil mixed together will blend with water.
Whereas this message is a bit of a troll my notion is to introduce a subject that others may comment on and perhaps some bright spark - probably an industrial chemist will enter the fray and give us some ideas about making one's own petrol. Provided that the raw materials can be purchased relatively cheaply in bulk it may turn out that home-made gasoline is cheaper than the stuff at the pump.
-- Regards, Peter. http://www.pelicom.net.nz

Uno wrote:

They need to remove water in the process making ethanol. Why do you need to add water in it?

Suppose you want 200 proof ethanol then all the water is taken out. Of course 200 proof burns. But then so does 60 proof, so what I'm suggesting is that for fuel one need not remove the water content, it's OK to leave some in.
-- Regards, Peter. http://www.pelicom.net.nz

"Peter Lowrie" wrote in message

Uno wrote:
They need to remove water in the process making ethanol. Why do you need to add water in it?
Suppose you want 200 proof ethanol then all the water is taken out. Of course 200 proof burns. But then so does 60 proof, so what I'm suggesting is that for fuel one need not remove the water content, it's OK to leave some in.
-- Regards, Peter. http://www.pelicom.net.nz

This is not what I have read about ethanol. Distillation can get out maybe 95% of the water and then a more costly process is used to get as much out as possible. Fuel ethanol has to be as free of water as possible.

"Peter Lowrie" wrote in message

Take 1 measure each of ethanol, water and toluene. Mix 'em up and what have you got? Home made petrol. Add a dash of acetone to improve combustability.
People are making biodeisel from waste food oil that is mixed at elevated temperature with caustic soda and they get Diesel fuel and glycerol. You can add the glycerol to your vehicle coolant for antifreeze.
Why is it that more people are not making their own gasoline? Oh, and the other thing, I'm shooting in the dark about the petrol recipe but it appears to me that ethanol will burn even with 50% water added and that some petroleums are largely paint stripper - toluene. If water doen't mix with toluene and ethanol mixes with both toluene and water then this is the way to make ordinarily immicible products miscible. Much like detergent and oil mixed together will blend with water.
Whereas this message is a bit of a troll my notion is to introduce a subject that others may comment on and perhaps some bright spark - probably an industrial chemist will enter the fray and give us some ideas about making one's own petrol. Provided that the raw materials can be purchased relatively cheaply in bulk it may turn out that home-made gasoline is cheaper than the stuff at the pump.

Don't hold your breath.

SJC wrote:

This is not what I have read about ethanol. Distillation can get out maybe 95% of the water and then a more costly process is used to get as much out as possible. Fuel ethanol has to be as free of water as possible.

Only if you are mixing with gasoline. if running straight, a little water just reduces your btu a bit.
-- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

"Steve Spence" wrote in message

SJC wrote:
This is not what I have read about ethanol. Distillation can get out maybe 95% of the water and then a more costly process is used to get as much out as possible. Fuel ethanol has to be as free of water as possible.
Only if you are mixing with gasoline. if running straight, a little water just reduces your btu a bit.
-- Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

There are only a small percentage of E85 vehicles in operation and virtually no E100 vehicles. So for all practical purposes, mixing with gasoline in commonly done.