ETHANOL: HOW BRAZIL BEATS THE U.S.

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"LongmuirG" wrote in message donquijote1954 quoted someone (Christian Science Monitor) saying: "The biggest hole in our [US] policy today is fuel taxation," he [Lee Schipper] adds. "Tax increases are something Americans should do but don't know how to do, and I wonder if they will ever be able to.
Dangerous and stupid talk!
You obviously don't want to give up your 6 litre polluting engine. Higher prices do work. Despite higher fuel prices, offset by using less fuel and lower priced smaller cars anyhow, it works.
The problem with high gasoline taxes is that they are regressive. It hurts the poor the most and the the wealthy don't seem to mind.
Then the poor get more economical cars instead of gas guzzlers, then the market responds with economical cars. It is really that simple.

It really isn't. Maybe to you it seems so, and the extra oil money in the public purse seems pleasantly uncomplicated, but no-one who would pay that money is unaware of the complications.
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News wrote:
"SJC" wrote in message
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"LongmuirG" wrote in message donquijote1954 quoted someone (Christian Science Monitor) saying: "The biggest hole in our [US] policy today is fuel taxation," he [Lee Schipper] adds. "Tax increases are something Americans should do but don't know how to do, and I wonder if they will ever be able to.
Dangerous and stupid talk!
You obviously don't want to give up your 6 litre polluting engine. Higher prices do work. Despite higher fuel prices, offset by using less fuel and lower priced smaller cars anyhow, it works.
The problem with high gasoline taxes is that they are regressive. It hurts the poor the most and the the wealthy don't seem to mind.
Then the poor get more economical cars instead of gas guzzlers, then the market responds with economical cars. It is really that simple.
It really isn't.

It is. Everyone else has done it with any problems.

Maybe to you it seems so, and the extra oil money in the public purse seems pleasantly uncomplicated, but no-one who would pay that money is unaware of the complications.

What complications? Previous US governments never had the balls to tackle fuel tax, that is why the US is in the mess it is in today. Most Americans are not aware that cars can to twice as much mpg and still be nice cars to drive and big enough - mine does around 38-40 mpg US, and does 112mph. Fule tax was an election loser, so it was always ignored. You just package it as a pollution tax, then you have the support of the population - as long as they see economical alternatives available then they will go for it. Do what Gordon Brown has done in the UK.
Then you will have to pay for your gas guzzler.

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"LongmuirG" wrote in message donquijote1954 quoted someone (Christian Science Monitor) saying: "The biggest hole in our [US] policy today is fuel taxation," he [Lee Schipper] adds. "Tax increases are something Americans should do but don't know how to do, and I wonder if they will ever be able to.
Dangerous and stupid talk!
You obviously don't want to give up your 6 litre polluting engine. Higher prices do work. Despite higher fuel prices, offset by using less fuel and lower priced smaller cars anyhow, it works.
The problem with high gasoline taxes is that they are regressive. It hurts the poor the most and the the wealthy don't seem to mind.
Then the poor get more economical cars instead of gas guzzlers, then the market responds with economical cars. It is really that simple.
It really isn't.
It is. Everyone else has done it with any problems.
Maybe to you it seems so, and the extra oil money in the public purse seems pleasantly uncomplicated, but no-one who would pay that money is unaware of the complications.
What complications? Previous US governments never had the balls to tackle fuel tax, that is why the US is in the mess it is in today. Most Americans are not aware that cars can to twice as much mpg and still be nice cars to drive and big enough - mine does around 38-40 mpg US, and does 112mph. Fule tax was an election loser, so it was always ignored. You just package it as a pollution tax, then you have the support of the population - as long as they see economical alternatives available then they will go for it. Do what Gordon Brown has done in the UK.
Then you will have to pay for your gas guzzler. Yes,indeed, never control the government....just hold them slaves on the

socialist plantation. And you can tax away any problem with the right excuse for your failures. Little wonder the US has a better economy or environment than virtuality the whole EU combined.

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"LongmuirG" wrote in message donquijote1954 quoted someone (Christian Science Monitor) saying: "The biggest hole in our [US] policy today is fuel taxation," he [Lee Schipper] adds. "Tax increases are something Americans should do but don't know how to do, and I wonder if they will ever be able to.
Dangerous and stupid talk!
You obviously don't want to give up your 6 litre polluting engine. Higher prices do work. Despite higher fuel prices, offset by using less fuel and lower priced smaller cars anyhow, it works.
The problem with high gasoline taxes is that they are regressive. It hurts the poor the most and the the wealthy don't seem to mind.
Then the poor get more economical cars instead of gas guzzlers, then the market responds with economical cars. It is really that simple.
It really isn't.
It is. Everyone else has done it with any problems.
Maybe to you it seems so, and the extra oil money in the public purse seems pleasantly uncomplicated, but no-one who would pay that money is unaware of the complications.
What complications? Previous US governments never had the balls to tackle fuel tax, that is why the US is in the mess it is in today. Most Americans are not aware that cars can to twice as much mpg and still be nice cars to drive and big enough - mine does around 38-40 mpg US, and does 112mph. Fule tax was an election loser, so it was always ignored. You just package it as a pollution tax, then you have the support of the population - as long as they see economical alternatives available then they will go for it. Do what Gordon Brown has done in the UK.
Then you will have to pay for your gas guzzler.
Yes,indeed, never control the government....just hold them slaves on the socialist plantation.

That's a good idea.

And you can tax away any problem with the right excuse for your failures.

What failures would these be? The US has constantly failed to cut oil usage. The market will not do it, so the people's representatives have to. They are called the government. They can set fuel usage levels, or tax, or whatever. The US needs to tax right now, otherwise how else is the fuel usage going to drop? There are alternatives for people to turn to, so they have to be forced or cajoled - or both.

Little wonder the US has a better economy or environment than virtuality the whole EU combined.

This is clearly disjointed rambling. Environment? With those oil depleting pollution machines the US drives around in? Constant brown outs somewhere? Energy crisis every few years? Is this the same USA?

LongmuirG wrote:

SJC screamed: It doesn't require rocket science: TAX GASOLINE AND INVEST IT IN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION WHILE PROMOTING SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
Let's look at the real world. European governments have been putting high taxes on gasoline for some time. And the results --
Mercedes-Benz, Rolls Royce, Ferrari etc turn out the gas guzzlers of the world -- for rich people, of course. Alternative transportation after decades of high taxes is ho-hum -- the Chinese have a magnetic levitation train, the Europeans don't; the great subway & commuter train systems of certain European cities are a legacy from the days of colonial Empires for the most part. And the poor people? Who among the European elites gives a damn! They can walk, does them good.
So what was your point about taxing gasoline?

OK, what train that works you got to show the rest of the world, this one???
http://www.mouseplanet.com/dtp/wdwguide/5_Primer/wdw_transportation/wdw_transportation.htm
Well, you fail to provide many options outside Epcot Center, and even driving in our Darwinian Roads takes more of an SUV than skill to survive them...

LongmuirG wrote:

SJC screamed: It doesn't require rocket science: TAX GASOLINE AND INVEST IT IN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION WHILE PROMOTING SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
Let's look at the real world. European governments have been putting high taxes on gasoline for some time. And the results --
Mercedes-Benz, Rolls Royce, Ferrari etc turn out the gas guzzlers of the world -- for rich people, of course. Alternative transportation after decades of high taxes is ho-hum -- the Chinese have a magnetic levitation train, the Europeans don't; the great subway & commuter train systems of certain European cities are a legacy from the days of colonial Empires for the most part. And the poor people? Who among the European elites gives a damn! They can walk, does them good.
So what was your point about taxing gasoline?

OK, what train that works you got to show the rest of the world, this one???
http://www.mouseplanet.com/dtp/wdwguide/5_Primer/wdw_transportation/wdw_transportation.htm
Well, you fail to provide many options outside Epcot Center, and even driving in our Darwinian Roads takes more of an SUV than skill to survive them...

Arnold Walker wrote:

Then you will have to pay for your gas guzzler. Yes,indeed, never control the government....just hold them slaves on the socialist plantation. And you can tax away any problem with the right excuse for your failures. Little wonder the US has a better economy or environment than virtuality the whole EU combined.

Right, they got too much welfare. It's better to pay for WARFARE.

The internal transportation systems Walt Disney World's transportation is one of the things that make a vacation at WDW so carefree, relaxing, and magical. Simply put, Walt Disney World's transportation network is among the most efficient, easy to use, and convenient of any mass transit system in the world. The system includes the famous Disney monorail, as well as busses and watercraft, to move guests from resort hotel to park and back, park to park, and from any other location to another within the 30,000+ acres of the complex. The vehicles are always clean, loading and unloading of passengers is simple and well-thought-out, and the wait for transportation (except during the very busiest of times) is minimal. It's hard to over-emphasize the convenience of the internal transportation. (http://www.mouseplanet.com/dtp/wdwguide/5_Primer/wdw_transportation/wdw_transportation.htm)
If it works good for Disney, why not outside? The only high tech mover where I live (operated by computer) is not certainly clean with the homeless having taking over them. And the train does a very limited corridor. And the buses, well, it takes a lot of patience to wait for one. But hey, you don't have to pay to get in like in Disney. Maybe to get out, right?

The problem of course is simply that the cost per passenger on the disney systems would be unsustainable in the real world. The maintance costs on the single monorail are huge, its an oddity with a dedicated crew that works only on it.
People simply wouldnt pay for that level of service on a daily basis.
Ghostwriter

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The problem of course is simply that the cost per passenger on the disney systems would be unsustainable in the real world. The maintance costs on the single monorail are huge, its an oddity with a dedicated crew that works only on it.
People simply wouldnt pay for that level of service on a daily basis.
Ghostwriter

And also because Disney is willing to try new technologies but our politicians are not. They are only interested in REELECTION, and trains are not an issue.

How in hell did walt disney do so good after receiving a dishonerable discharge from the USN ? I thought such a thing was supposed to destroy a person. When I was at disneyland last time in Orange CA he had his DD214 posted on a window for all to see like he was slapping the DODs face with it. Good for him.
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The problem of course is simply that the cost per passenger on the disney systems would be unsustainable in the real world. The maintance costs on the single monorail are huge, its an oddity with a dedicated crew that works only on it.
People simply wouldnt pay for that level of service on a daily basis.
Ghostwriter

First, your post is total BS. See http://www.snopes.com/disney/waltdisn/discharg.htm and find that he never served in the military. He instead served in the American Ambulance Corps which was a part of the Red Cross, not the military. You never saw his DD214 for the simple reason he never had one. Also Disney never showed the disdain for the military that you attribute to him. Instead he stated that we should even let people join the service at an even younger age.
Second, what does your anti-military views have to do with the subject at hand? Nothing.
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How in hell did walt disney do so good after receiving a dishonerable discharge from the USN ? I thought such a thing was supposed to destroy a person. When I was at disneyland last time in Orange CA he had his DD214 posted on a window for all to see like he was slapping the DODs face with it. Good for him.
sw
"ghostwriter" wrote in message The problem of course is simply that the cost per passenger on the disney systems would be unsustainable in the real world. The maintance costs on the single monorail are huge, its an oddity with a dedicated crew that works only on it.
People simply wouldnt pay for that level of service on a daily basis.
Ghostwriter

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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
Europe's cars: 40 percent are diesel
In the UK about 10% are. Diesel is more expensive than petrol and heavy bills when they go wrong. I hate the dirty, smelly, noisy, polluting things.

There are dirty diesels and clean diesels, smelly and odourless diesels, noisy and quiet diesels. All M/Vs are polluting anyway.
Re: expense and bills, you only have to look at the second-hand prices to see that buyers don't agree.