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Global warming hits Mars too: study
Global warming could be heating Mars four times faster than Earth due to a mutually reinforcing interplay of wind-swept dust and changes in reflected heat from the Sun, according to a study released Wednesday.
Scientists have long observed a correlation on Mars between its fluctuating temperatures -- which range from -87 C to - 5 C (-125 F to 23 F) depending on the season and the location -- and the darkening or lightening of swathes of the planet's surface.
The explanation is in the dirt.
Glistening Martian dust lying on the ground reflects the Sun's light -- and its heat -- back into space, a phenomenon called albedo.
But when this reddish dust is churned up by violent winds, the storm- ravaged surface loses its reflective qualities and more of the Sun's heat is absorbed into the atmosphere, causing temperatures to rise.
The study, published on Thursday by the British journal Nature, shows for the first time that these variations not only result from the storms but help cause them too.
It also suggests that short-term climate change is currently occurring on Mars and at a much faster rate than on Earth.
Its authors, led by Lori Fenton, a planetary scientist at NASA, describe the phenomenon as a "positive feedback" system -- in other words, a vicious circle, in which changes in albedo strengthen the winds which in turn kicks up more dust, in turn adding to the warming.
In the same way, if a snow-covered area on Earth warms and the snow melts, the reflected light decreases and more solar radiation is absorbed, causing local temperatures to increase. If new snow falls, a cooling cycle starts.
For Earth, global warming is mainly associated with human activities -- notably the burning of fossil fuels -- that release carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere, trapping more of the Sun's heat.
But changes in our planet's average temperature can also be driven up or down by natural phenomena such as shifts in orbit or axis rotation, and the release of naturally-occurring greenhouse gases by volcanoes and vegetation.
On Mars, there have been an unusual number of massive, planet- darkening storms over the last 30 years, and computer models indicate that surface air temperatures on the Red Planet increased by 0.65 C (1.17 F) during from the 1970s to the 1990s.
Residual ice on the Martian south pole, they note, has steadily retreated over the last four years.
By comparison, the average temperature of Earth increased by 0.75 C (1.33 F) over the last century.
To measure the change in patterns of reflected light, Fenton and her colleagues compared thermal spectrometer images of Mars taken by NASA's Viking mission in the late 1970s with similar images gathered more than 20 years later by the Global Surveyor.
They then analyzing the correlation between albedo variations, the presence of atmospheric dust and change in temperature.
Exactly what triggers the planet's so-called "global dust storms" remains a mystery.
But any future research must now consider albedo variations as one of the factors that drive Martian climate change, they conclude.
Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun, with a surface area of about 230 million square kilometers (90 million square miles). The Red Planet rotates on its axis every 24.62 hours, and its year lasts 686.93 Earth days. Its atmosphere is composed mostly of carbon dioxide.
The albedo of Earth, averaged across all its different surfaces, is about 30 times greater than that of Mars, which is far darker.

On Apr 4, 4:33 pm, "Bawana" wrote:

The albedo of Earth, averaged across all its different surfaces, is about 30 times greater than that of Mars, which is far darker.

The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger
Apparently you are not qualified to diagnose your own evident sociopathy.
I conveniently provided a webpage with the most conspicuous symptoms listed: you don't need them all -- just three is sufficient for a positive diagnosis.
http://h2-pv.us/Bush-Hitler/Blogspot/Sociopathy.html DSM-IV-TR Handbook of Differential Diagnosis by Michael B. First, Allen, MD Frances, Harold Alan, MD Pincus Paperback: 247 pages Publisher: American Psychiatric Association; 1st edition (January, 2002) ISBN: 1585620548
SOCIOPATHY The DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines anti-social personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest 2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure 3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead 4. aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults 5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others 6. consistent irresponsibility 7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
In this case, we see symptoms #3, lack of future planning, #2 lying, #4 aggressiveness towards those who can't stop your killing them from their position of vulnerability, #5 reckless, disregard for those damaged by your words and acts, #6 no accepting responsibility for what you are doing, #7 no remorse, and #1 is known that you accept the criminal frauds of others and use them to your purposes, making you a known accessory after the fact.
Did I leave anything out?

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http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/Q1.html

The debate is over. Time now for swift and decisive action!
"Climatologists, are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change. ... The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality."
Sound Familiar?
This is a 1975 quote from Newsweek about "THE COMING ICE AGE"!!!!!!!
Thank God they did nothing. Imagine how warm we'd be?
Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree panic us" Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences
"Global warming, at least the modern nightmare version, is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not." Dr Gareth Jones, climate researcher, Met Office UK

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Yelling the sky is falling keeps those government research grants coming.

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ABSOLUTELY. Here are a few apt quotes ...
�If the global warming virago collapses, there will be an awful lot of people out of jobs.� Philip Stott Biogeographer University of London

�We have a vested interest in creating panic because money will then flow to climate scientists.� John Christy IPCC contributor

"Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen" Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree panic us" Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences
"Global warming, at least the modern nightmare version, is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.� Dr Gareth Jones, climate researcher, Met Office UK

The CORRUPT RICHARD S. LINDZEN, DESPICABLE OUTCAST OF SCIENCE
(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and health, Next up, prominent ROOFER discusses faults in modern Quantum Mechanics Theory. ========================= Philip Morris Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard? Date: 19910700/P Length: 48 pages http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html
Page 36: cyb09e00 Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave society with a resource of some importance diminished. The implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental tobacco smoke.
=========================
In 1993 documents appeared in secret tobacco conspiracy file cabinets about a fake science conference organized by the documented corrupt S. Fred Singer. This meeting in Washington, DC, was facetiously titled "Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process", funded by two lung-killer industries tobacco and asbestos, and Lindzen was a prominant hoaxer at this event. Lindzen has been paid in a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY to defraud the public on the immanent dangers of Global Warming, just as he participated with co-conspirators to aid Singer's science hoaxes on behalf of tobacco and asbestos SERIAL MURDERER CORPORATIONS.
Every single fact below can stand up in court in the trial of Lindzen for FELONY CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. Much more incriminating evidence will be adduced at trial.
Google search engine reports 164 results looking for Richard S. Lindzen AND "Washington Times" owned by the convicted felon Sun Myung Moon. Moon has hosted many fake science conferences to exploit for propaganda purposes. Singer apprenteced the fake science conference back when Singer was President of the moonie "Washingon Institute for Values in Public Policy". No records exist in public archives on what Moon paid Singer as president of the Wash Inst, but here is a link showing how generous Moon is to one successor president after Singer's term -- $142,708/yr salary. http://documents.guidestar.org/1998/521/293/1998-521293998-1-9.pdf
Moon is master of money laundering and subversive payoffs -- we will never know who all he paid and how much they pocketed. We do know that Google search engine finds 152 webpages linking Moon AND Lindzen. There is an unseemly association between a science corruptor and a known identified corrupt Lindzen: 314 webpage results for Lindzen AND "Sun Myung Moon" OR "Washington Times".
http://tobaccodocuments.org/mayo_clinic/2025498346.html SUBJECT: The Heidelberg Appeal Date: 23 Mar 1993
BACKGROUND
This coalition has its roots in the asbestos industry, but has become a broad and independent movement in a littlc bit less than a year. We are involved with the coalition through the French NMA, but we are being discreet because some of the coalition members are concerned about a "tobacco connection".
Our strategy is to continue discreetly supporting the coalition and help it grow in size and credibility. The timing is particularly opportune because of Bill Clinton's sympathy to the messages of the coalition (see attached IHT article).
If you would like more information on how to help support thc movement, pIease contact me or Tom Borelli on the US side.

http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2502284041-4042.html (Philip Morris Documents) Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program 930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington, D.C. Date: 19930525/D Length: 2 pages
Persons identified in pulling off this science hoax included: CORRUPT Michael Fumento, CORRUPT Michael Gough, CORRUPT Robert Jastrow, CORRUPT Michael Salomon, CORRUPT Robert Tollison, and the arch- CORRUPTOR S. Fred Singer ringleader.
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_S._Lindzen
Richard S. Lindzen
Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, a distinguished professor of meteorology at MIT, is one of a small band of global warming skeptics used by industry to undermine and delay any kind of regulatory action meant to address the looming environmental crisis.
Lindzen was reported in 1995 to "charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." [1]
According to Ross Gelbspan, Lindzen and skeptics like him -- including Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr. Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S. Fred Singer, among others -- "assert flatly that their science is untainted by funding. Nevertheless, in this persistent and well-funded campaign of [global warming] denial they have become interchangeable ornaments on the hood of a high-powered engine of disinformation. Their dissenting opinions are amplified beyond all proportion through the media while the concerns of the dominant majority of the world's scientific establishment are marginalized. By keeping the discussion focused on whether there is a problem in the first place, they have effectively silenced the debate over what to do about it." [2]
External links
* Ross Gelbspan, "The Heat is On: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995. * Daniel Grossman, Dissent in the Maelstrom,"Scientific American, November 2001. * "Richard Lindzen," Wikipedia.
http://dieoff.org/page82.htm THE HEAT IS ON: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial by Ross Gelbspan. from HARPER'S MAGAZINE/December, 1995
.... The people who run the world's oil and coal companies know that the march of science, and of political action, may be slowed by disinformation. In the last year and a half, one of the leading oil industry public relations outlets, the Global Climate Coalition, has spent more than a million dollars to downplay the threat of climate change. It expects to spend another $850,000 on the issue next year. Similarly, the National Coal Association spent more than $700,000 on the global climate issue in 1992 and 1993. In 1993 alone, the American Petroleum Institute, just one of fifty-four industry members of the GCC, paid $1.8 million to the public relations firm of Burson- Marsteller partly in an effort to defeat a proposed tax on fossil fuels. For perspective, this is only slightly less than the combined yearly expenditures on global warming of the five major environmental groups that focus on climate issues -- about $2.1 million, according to officials of the Environmental Defense Fund, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, and the World Wildlife Fund.
For the most part the industry has relied on a small band of skeptics -- Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr. Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S. Fred Singer, among others -- who have proven extraordinarily adept at draining the issue of all sense of crisis. Through their frequent pronouncements in the press and on radio and television, they have helped to create the illusion that the question is hopelessly mired in unknowns. Most damaging has been their influence on decision makers; their contrarian views have allowed conservative Republicans such as Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R., Calif.) to dismiss legitimate research concerns as "liberal claptrap" and have provided the basis for the recent round of budget cuts to those government science programs designed to monitor the health of the planet.
Last May, Minnesota held hearings in St. Paul to determine the environmental cost of coal burning by state power plants. Three of the skeptics -- Lindzen, Michaels, and Balling -- were hired as expert witnesses to testify on behalf of Western Fuels Association, a $400 million consortium of coal suppliers and coal-fired utilities. [#1] ...
[#l In 1991, Western Fuels spent an estimated $250,000 to produce and distribute a video entitled "The Greening of Planet Earth," which was shown frequently inside the Bush White House as well as within the governments of OPEC. In near-evangelical tones, the video promises that a new age of agricultural abundance will result from increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide. It portrays a world where vast areas of desert are reclaimed by the carbon dioxide-forced growth of new grasslands, where the earth's diminishing forests are replenished by a nurturing atmosphere. Unfortunately, it overlooks the bugs. Experts note that even a minor elevation in temperature would trigger an explosion in the planet's insect population, leading to potentially significant disruptions in food supplies from crop damage as well as to a surge in insect-borne diseases. It appears that Western Fuels' video fails to tell people what the termites in New Orleans may be trying to tell them now.]

On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, "BONZ0" wrote:

Regards
B0NZ0
Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences

The CORRUPT RICHARD S. LINDZEN, DESPICABLE OUTCAST OF SCIENCE
(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and health, Next up, prominent ROOFER discusses faults in modern Quantum Mechanics Theory. ========================= Philip Morris Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard? Date: 19910700/P Length: 48 pages http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html
Page 36: cyb09e00 Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave society with a resource of some importance diminished. The implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental tobacco smoke.
=========================
In 1993 documents appeared in secret tobacco conspiracy file cabinets about a fake science conference organized by the documented corrupt S. Fred Singer. This meeting in Washington, DC, was facetiously titled "Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process", funded by two lung-killer industries tobacco and asbestos, and Lindzen was a prominant hoaxer at this event. Lindzen has been paid in a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY to defraud the public on the immanent dangers of Global Warming, just as he participated with co-conspirators to aid Singer's science hoaxes on behalf of tobacco and asbestos SERIAL MURDERER CORPORATIONS.
Every single fact below can stand up in court in the trial of Lindzen for FELONY CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. Much more incriminating evidence will be adduced at trial.
Google search engine reports 164 results looking for Richard S. Lindzen AND "Washington Times" owned by the convicted felon Sun Myung Moon. Moon has hosted many fake science conferences to exploit for propaganda purposes. Singer apprenteced the fake science conference back when Singer was President of the moonie "Washingon Institute for Values in Public Policy". No records exist in public archives on what Moon paid Singer as president of the Wash Inst, but here is a link showing how generous Moon is to one successor president after Singer's term -- $142,708/yr salary. http://documents.guidestar.org/1998/521/293/1998-521293998-1-9.pdf
Moon is master of money laundering and subversive payoffs -- we will never know who all he paid and how much they pocketed. We do know that Google search engine finds 152 webpages linking Moon AND Lindzen. There is an unseemly association between a science corruptor and a known identified corrupt Lindzen: 314 webpage results for Lindzen AND "Sun Myung Moon" OR "Washington Times".
http://tobaccodocuments.org/mayo_clinic/2025498346.html SUBJECT: The Heidelberg Appeal Date: 23 Mar 1993
BACKGROUND
This coalition has its roots in the asbestos industry, but has become a broad and independent movement in a littlc bit less than a year. We are involved with the coalition through the French NMA, but we are being discreet because some of the coalition members are concerned about a "tobacco connection".
Our strategy is to continue discreetly supporting the coalition and help it grow in size and credibility. The timing is particularly opportune because of Bill Clinton's sympathy to the messages of the coalition (see attached IHT article).
If you would like more information on how to help support thc movement, pIease contact me or Tom Borelli on the US side.

http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2502284041-4042.html (Philip Morris Documents) Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program 930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington, D.C. Date: 19930525/D Length: 2 pages
Persons identified in pulling off this science hoax included: CORRUPT Michael Fumento, CORRUPT Michael Gough, CORRUPT Robert Jastrow, CORRUPT Michael Salomon, CORRUPT Robert Tollison, and the arch- CORRUPTOR S. Fred Singer ringleader.
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_S._Lindzen
Richard S. Lindzen
Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, a distinguished professor of meteorology at MIT, is one of a small band of global warming skeptics used by industry to undermine and delay any kind of regulatory action meant to address the looming environmental crisis.
Lindzen was reported in 1995 to "charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." [1]
According to Ross Gelbspan, Lindzen and skeptics like him -- including Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr. Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S. Fred Singer, among others -- "assert flatly that their science is untainted by funding. Nevertheless, in this persistent and well-funded campaign of [global warming] denial they have become interchangeable ornaments on the hood of a high-powered engine of disinformation. Their dissenting opinions are amplified beyond all proportion through the media while the concerns of the dominant majority of the world's scientific establishment are marginalized. By keeping the discussion focused on whether there is a problem in the first place, they have effectively silenced the debate over what to do about it." [2]
External links
* Ross Gelbspan, "The Heat is On: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995. * Daniel Grossman, Dissent in the Maelstrom,"Scientific American, November 2001. * "Richard Lindzen," Wikipedia.
http://dieoff.org/page82.htm THE HEAT IS ON: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial by Ross Gelbspan. from HARPER'S MAGAZINE/December, 1995
.... The people who run the world's oil and coal companies know that the march of science, and of political action, may be slowed by disinformation. In the last year and a half, one of the leading oil industry public relations outlets, the Global Climate Coalition, has spent more than a million dollars to downplay the threat of climate change. It expects to spend another $850,000 on the issue next year. Similarly, the National Coal Association spent more than $700,000 on the global climate issue in 1992 and 1993. In 1993 alone, the American Petroleum Institute, just one of fifty-four industry members of the GCC, paid $1.8 million to the public relations firm of Burson- Marsteller partly in an effort to defeat a proposed tax on fossil fuels. For perspective, this is only slightly less than the combined yearly expenditures on global warming of the five major environmental groups that focus on climate issues -- about $2.1 million, according to officials of the Environmental Defense Fund, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, and the World Wildlife Fund.
For the most part the industry has relied on a small band of skeptics -- Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr. Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S. Fred Singer, among others -- who have proven extraordinarily adept at draining the issue of all sense of crisis. Through their frequent pronouncements in the press and on radio and television, they have helped to create the illusion that the question is hopelessly mired in unknowns. Most damaging has been their influence on decision makers; their contrarian views have allowed conservative Republicans such as Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R., Calif.) to dismiss legitimate research concerns as "liberal claptrap" and have provided the basis for the recent round of budget cuts to those government science programs designed to monitor the health of the planet.
Last May, Minnesota held hearings in St. Paul to determine the environmental cost of coal burning by state power plants. Three of the skeptics -- Lindzen, Michaels, and Balling -- were hired as expert witnesses to testify on behalf of Western Fuels Association, a $400 million consortium of coal suppliers and coal-fired utilities. [#1] ...
[#l In 1991, Western Fuels spent an estimated $250,000 to produce and distribute a video entitled "The Greening of Planet Earth," which was shown frequently inside the Bush White House as well as within the governments of OPEC. In near-evangelical tones, the video promises that a new age of agricultural abundance will result from increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide. It portrays a world where vast areas of desert are reclaimed by the carbon dioxide-forced growth of new grasslands, where the earth's diminishing forests are replenished by a nurturing atmosphere. Unfortunately, it overlooks the bugs. Experts note that even a minor elevation in temperature would trigger an explosion in the planet's insect population, leading to potentially significant disruptions in food supplies from crop damage as well as to a surge in insect-borne diseases. It appears that Western Fuels' video fails to tell people what the termites in New Orleans may be trying to tell them now.]

On Apr 4, 11:36 pm, "BONZ0" wrote:

"We have a vested interest in creating panic because money will then flow to climate scientists." John Christy IPCC contributor
Regards
B0NZ0

John Christy -- Associate of known TASSC science-fraud felons Patrick J. Michaels, and Steve Milloy
Associate of known TASSC science-fraud felons Patrick J. Michaels, and Steve Milloy, also continuous association with felony fraud organized crime operation APCO Associates. Court records ordered to be publically posted online for the nation to see unequivically shows that TASSC was conceived as a criminal fraud operation by Philip Morris Tobacco and engaged in a years-long series of public deceptions using compliant science-hoaxers known as "whitecoats" by the crime masterminds and moneybags.
Christy uses the "TASSC METHOD" of inserting errors into the public record, which when caught are reluctantly retracted, but the false results are quoted endlessly into the future by collaborative operators. [Background evidence passed through due process in a Federal Court of Law establishing the criminal fraud nature of TASSC has been ordered posted online on the internet by the judge so that every citizen can examine this evidence of fraud for themselves. The trial ended with $280,000,000,000 settlement by the tobacco paymasters, so this is hardly a trial which wasn't fought tooth & nail. This is a very partial listing of evidence. Links: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, ... Fred Singer Euro-TASSC 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, ... Heidelberg Appeal 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, ... Milloy TASSC 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, ...]
--------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy Satellite temperature record Christy became famous as early as 1993 [creation of TASSC] for claiming the global temperature was actually decreasing based on the "more accurate" satellite data. But others over the years have shown errors in his interpretation of the data which has slowly and consistently increased his results. This is in addition to the improving accuracy of the short data set [4] (it begins in December 1978). In 1997 his testimony to the Committee on Environment and Public Works pointed out that his (and Dr. Roy Spencer's) data indicated a decrease in global temperature. Before the same committe in 2001, he stated it was at an increase that was "a rate less than a third that observed at the surface" at 0.045 C/decade and it showed "remarkable consistency between independent measurements [by radiosonde] of these upper air temperatures". In 2003 before the U.S. House Committee on Resources he stated his data was "less than half of the warming observed at the surface." In 2004 his published results showed a 0.08 C/decade increase. A new error in his interpretation of the data found in 2005 has now increased his results by 60% in only a year to 0.13 C/decade but he still claims "all radiosonde comparisons have been rerun and the agreement is still exceptionally good" [5] as was claimed in 2001 when his results were 1/3 as high as now. --------------- http://mediamatters.org/items/200605190003 Fri, May 19, 2006 10:35am EST In new global warming special, Fox News interviews scientists with industry ties, records of misinformation ---------------

Fox News employs Executive Director of TASSC, Steve Milloy. No reputable and law-abiding organization will have any TASSC fraudster on their payroll, or quote them, or give them a platform. Christy's affiliation with organizations employing TASSC fraudsters is beyond accidental coincidence.
--------------- http://timlambert.org/2005/07/spencer/comment-page-3/ Fri 1 Jul 2005 Significant errors found in global warming study Posted by Tim Lambert under science
http://timlambert.org/2004/08/gwarming/ Thu 12 Aug 2004 "When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, Sir?" Posted by Tim Lambert under science ---------------

FACTSHEET: The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition, TASSC --- KEY PEOPLE: S. Fred Singer, Science Advisor; Patrick J. Michaels, Science Advisor; Steven Milloy, Director/Founder of Advancement of Sound Science Coalition; Frederick Seitz, Science Advisor. FACTSHEET: The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc., TASSC --- KEY PEOPLE: Steven Milloy, Publisher, JunkScience.con; Bonner Cohen, Board of Directors.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=2 FACTSHEET: Competitive Enterprise Institute, CEI John Christy Contributing Writer Steven Milloy Adjunct Analyst (TASSC) http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903 FACTSHEET: John Christy ORGANIZATIONS --- Competitive Enterprise Institute John Christy, Steven Milloy (TASSC) --- Cato Institute KEY PEOPLE: Patrick J. Michaels, Senior Fellow, Environmental Studies (TASSC); S. Fred Singer, Editorial Advisory Board (TASSC); Steven Milloy, Adjunct Scholar (TASSC); John Christy, Conference Speaker; Robert C. Balling Jr., Conference Speaker; Richard Lindzen, Contributing Writer, Reason Magazine. --- Independent Institute KEY PEOPLE: David R. Legates, former Research Fellow; Frederick Seitz, Research Fellow (TASSC); S. Fred Singer, Research Fellow (TASSC); John Christy, Panel on Global Warming
Graphic of key relationships with John Christy and Competitive Enterprise Institute and TASSC Fraudsters and other key operatives. http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=561

* --- John Christy contributed to a book by CEI-TASSC Fraudster Patrick J. Michaels. http://snipurl.com/qtrm Google Results about 77 for "John Christy" Shattered Consensus : The True State of Global Warming. * Table of contents for Shattered consensus : the true state of global warming / edited by Patrick J. Michaels. * --- John Christy is used on the book cover and sales pitch for a book published by Competitive Enterprise Institute, authored by Ronald Bailey (CEI Adjunct Analyst), Global Warming and Other Eco Myths: How the Environmental Movement Uses False Science to Scare Us to Death * --- Google has 120 links to CEI.org website using John Christy's "erroneous data", and has not corrected them or retracted them. http://snipurl.com/qtt0 Google Results about 120 from www.cei.org for "John Christy" "Patrick J. Michaels" | "Competitive Enterprise Institute". * --- John Christy is used on the book cover and sales pitch for a book published by Cato Institute, authored by Cato-CEI-TASSC Fraudster Patrick J. Michaels. Meltdown : The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media. * --- TASSC operative S. Fred Singer's SEPP website has 35 webpages with Christy's erroneous data, which has never been corrected or retracted. http://snipurl.com/qttt Google Results 1 - 35 from www.sepp.org for "John Christy" SEPP. * --- TASSC operative Frederick Seitz, and longtime partner with Singer in SEPP, was president of the George C. Marshall Institute. http://snipurl.com/qttx Google Results 7 from www.marshall.org for "John Christy" Marshall Institute. Webpages propagating 'erroneous" data from John Christy have never been corrected or retracted. * --- TASSC operative Steve Milloy's Junkscience website has Christy's Junk Science. http://snipurl.com/qtum Google Results 45 from junkscience.com for "John Christy". Webpages propagating "erroneous" junk science from John Christy have never been corrected or retracted. --- Heartland Institute controlled website connects John Christy to a known TASSC Organized Crime operation, APCO Associates -- http://www.climatesearch.com/newsDetail.cfm?nwsId=54 -- With TASSC Singer, TASSC Michaels, and TASSC Seitz involvement. APCO created TASSC as a fraud operation, and still maintains ties with the operative "whitecoats". * --- CEI-Registered website www.globalwarming.org has 40 webpages with John Christy's "erroneous" data. http://snipurl.com/qtw6 Google Results about 40 from www.globalwarming.org for GlobalWarming.org "John Christy". Webpages propagating "erroneous" junk science from John Christy have never been corrected or retracted. * --- CEI-Registered website http://www.globalwarming.org/sitemap.htm sitemap has two links that go off-site to TASSC-Ally Fred Seitz's old lair at George C. Marshall Institute: Brief Synopsis of the Global Warming Issue, and Guide to Global Warming - Questions and Answers on Climate Change. The http://www.globalwarming.org/about.htm pretends that "Consumer Alert" still exists, but the link is a dead parked page. Further down the page "National Consumer Coalition" link http://www.consumeralert.org/ncc/index.htm leads to the same dead parked page. They are not even trying to keep up appearances of all their phoney front operations any more. They do have a link to their roots as tobacco fraudsters from the Good Old Days, in The Smoker's Club website, with Competitive Enterprise Institute clearly on the bottom of the page. Who knows how many more fly-by-night websites they have out there posing as citizen's groups and grassroots coalitions?

On Apr 4, 6:41 pm, i_am_the_best_breather_e...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070404/ap_on_sc/climate_report;_ylt=Ark_...
Warning: Go any farther in this thread and you may encounter morons attacking science.

There was the Club Of Rome prediction of the early '70s that by this time we would all be breathing sulfuric acid. There was the Love Canal catastrophe which led to the creations of still another federal agency. http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Environment.shtml http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/CleanEnvironmentMoney.shtml http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/PorkNotFish.shtml Some day enough people will understand that governing is about money and privilege - getting it from many and giving it to a few. http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml

"Lloyd" wrote in message

On Apr 5, 2:30 am, "BONZ0" wrote: The debate is over. Time now for swift and decisive action!
"Climatologists, are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change. ... The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality."
Sound Familiar?
This is a 1975 quote from Newsweek about "THE COMING ICE AGE"!!!!!!!
Gee, I missed Newsweek becoming a scientific journal. Good thing you discovered it! Gee ,does that apply to movie and drive by media remarks in support of the

political idea. As is often the case for political ideas.....

Thank God they did nothing. Imagine how warm we'd be?
Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree panic us" Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences
"Global warming, at least the modern nightmare version, is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not." Dr Gareth Jones, climate researcher, Met Office UK
So 2 outvote thousands of scientists? Maybe in Moronland.

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"kT" wrote in message

GeekBoy wrote:
Yelling the sky is falling keeps those government research grants coming.
Another persuasive argument from the villige idiots.

Oh mister "scientific expert" where is your PROOF that sky is NOT falling
*snicker*

As James would exclaim : the pshaw crowd.
Pshaw : widely used expression used to indicate irritation, disapproval or disbelief by country bumpkins and other ignorant fuddy duddies.
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On Apr 5, 9:58 am, "Lloyd" wrote:

So 2 outvote thousands of scientists?

How many thousands, Tturd Packer?

"Arnold Walker" wrote in message

"Lloyd" wrote in message On Apr 5, 2:30 am, "BONZ0" wrote: The debate is over. Time now for swift and decisive action!
"Climatologists, are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change. ... The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality."
Sound Familiar?
This is a 1975 quote from Newsweek about "THE COMING ICE AGE"!!!!!!!
Gee, I missed Newsweek becoming a scientific journal. Good thing you discovered it! Gee ,does that apply to movie and drive by media remarks in support of the political idea. As is often the case for political ideas..... Of course, Hollywood and the news services say they don't have any

influence on the public with their remarks.........That is the reason they are still adding remarks (if anything more) on every political idea, that they want promoted.Even if it does not fit in the movie scence or newsstory.
As a side note.......ever noticed how many doom and gloom reports you have for polical ideas. As in, if you don't do this immediately .....like many scam/con artists working a pigeon......there will be great disaster in the near future. And the time comes and pasts and suddenly the promoters don't recall the details of that disaster. Makes you wonder if Socialist work on some sort of crisis theory of rule.And of course, like Nazi Germany any denialist of the the political dictrine was a moral or outcast. Is it not a surprise, that in the past 40 years the DNC has sided with liked minded people. Be it North Korea,North Vetnam, Castro,dictators like Taylor(hell must be a 100+ of them over the years),terrorist leaders,crime kingpins,Socialist purge leaders.... Leaving members in the DNC finding. That in one generation the exact same idea.Classified as liberal in the past, today is considered moderate conservative.Is it not a wonder, that many Democrat states switched over to Republican/Independent in recent years. That fewer folks get their news by TV or newspaper..... one might well wonder if the general public is beginning to wonder, if the promoter IS THE DISASTER As was the case with Nazi,Meo,Marx,Lenin,Taylor,etc.

Thank God they did nothing. Imagine how warm we'd be?
Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree panic us" Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences
"Global warming, at least the modern nightmare version, is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not." Dr Gareth Jones, climate researcher, Met Office UK
So 2 outvote thousands of scientists? Maybe in Moronland.

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