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Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Pollut

From the article: * 5000 acres

* two 980 MW coal plants * 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year. * projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County. * Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. * supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/16716580.htm
Posted on Sun, Feb. 18, 2007
The last thing the River of Grass needs By CARL HIAASEN
Once upon a time, a kid could catch a stringer of bass anywhere in the Everglades, and fry up the whole batch with nothing to fear.
Now the bass are getting loaded with mercury, and signs posted on the shores of freshwater canals and lakes warn anglers that eating too many fish can be perilous.
It's not a good omen when poisonous chemicals start showing up near the top of the food chain. For that reason, Dan Kimball, the superintendent of Everglades National Park, worries a lot about mercury.
Kimball recently wrote to the state Department of Environmental Protection about a huge coal-burning power plant that Florida Power & Light wants to build on the western side of Lake Okeechobee.
The superintendent said that mercury emissions from the proposed Glades Power Park facility ''will increase . . . the risk of toxic effects to both humans and wildlife.'' He also expressed concerns about the inevitable degradation of air quality.
Kimball's not the only one with hard questions about Glades Power Park. The Everglades Coalition is mounting a campaign to fight the project, which must be reviewed by numerous state and federal agencies before it's approved.
Last year, plans for a similar FPL facility were unanimously rejected by the St. Lucie County Commission, largely because of pollution issues.
Glades County commissioners are much more enthusiastic, anticipating 300 new jobs and a $21 million boost in property-tax revenues.
Using pulverized coal is one of the dirtiest ways to produce electricity, and a major source of the greenhouse gases, particularly carbon dioxide, that cause global warming.
FPL says that Glades Power Park will be one of the nation's cleanest- burning facilities, equipped with advanced devices that will keep the pollution output substantially below state and federal limits.
That's nice to hear, but it's also worth remembering that every utility in the United States makes basically the same righteous promise whenever it's seeking approval for a new plant. This is not an industry with unassailable credibility.
Glades Power Park would be built on 5,000 acres of what is now sugar- cane fields near Moore Haven. There would be two 980-megawatt units, the first of which would go online in 2012. FPL says the plant would ultimately supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.
Critics acknowledge that Glades Power Park would run cleaner than many existing plants, but they also point out that -- according to FPL's own estimates -- the stacks would belch as much as 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year.
No less disturbing is the projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County.
Mercury being highly concentrated, very small amounts can dangerously affect fish, birds and wildlife over large areas.
Some people wonder why FPL has chosen a pulverized-coal system over coal gasification technology, which is more costly but much less harmful to the water, air and natural habitats.
In an ''integrated gasified'' cycle plant, coal is converted to gas at high temperatures, then cooled and cleaned in a turbine. Contaminants such as mercury, sulfur and nitrogen oxides are removed before the fuel is burned, and significant amounts of carbon dioxide and other emissions can be trapped and stored.
Tampa Electric Co. operates a coal-gasification plant, but FPL says a similar system wouldn't be efficient or reliable at an operation as large as Glades Power Park.
The proposed site is about 40 miles north of the Big Cypress National Wildlife Refuge, and 70 miles from what remains of the Everglades. That's close enough to require FPL to follow rigid U.S. restrictions on smokestack emissions near national parks.
Fortunately for Floridians, the review process for new utility plants is lengthy, and there will be time to demand not just assurances from FPL, but answers and even options.
Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. The project remains an uphill struggle -- scientifically, technologically and politically.
The last thing that the River of Grass needs at this critical period is a giant coal-burning plant near its headwaters. Such a thing cannot possibly be operated without long-term impacts, downwind, downriver and high in the atmosphere.
This is the start of a long battle, and there's cause to be worried even if you don't like fish for supper.
It's the same air, same water, same problem.
Ours.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Feb 18, 6:35 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters" wrote:

From the article:
* 5000 acres * two 980 MW coal plants * 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year. * projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County. * Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. * supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.

Go nuclear!

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Feb 18, 3:40 pm, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:

On Feb 18, 6:35 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters"
Carbon.Criminal.Pollut...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote: From the article:
* 5000 acres * two 980 MW coal plants * 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year. * projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County. * Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. * supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.
Go nuclear!

Go fuck yourself.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Feb 18, 6:43 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters" wrote:

On Feb 18, 3:40 pm, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:


On Feb 18, 6:35 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters"
Carbon.Criminal.Pollut...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote: From the article:
* 5000 acres * two 980 MW coal plants * 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year. * projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County. * Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. * supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.

Go nuclear!

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Feb 18, 6:55 pm, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:

On Feb 18, 6:43 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters"

Carbon.Criminal.Pollut...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote: On Feb 18, 3:40 pm, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Feb 18, 6:35 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters"
Carbon.Criminal.Pollut...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote: From the article:
* 5000 acres * two 980 MW coal plants * 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year. * projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County. * Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. * supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.
Go nuclear!

Go nukufukular yourself.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Feb 18, 10:25 pm, "Exxon Liars & Thieves" wrote:

On Feb 18, 6:55 pm, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:


On Feb 18, 6:43 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters"
Carbon.Criminal.Pollut...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote: On Feb 18, 3:40 pm, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Feb 18, 6:35 pm, "Carbon Criminal Polluters"
Carbon.Criminal.Pollut...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote: From the article:
* 5000 acres * two 980 MW coal plants * 14 million tons of carbon dioxide into the air every year. * projected mercury output of 180 pounds annually, or about seven times as much as what is produced by a larger power plant in Martin County. * Restoring the Everglades is now estimated to cost at least $11 billion, a hefty but necessary public investment. * supply electricity to about 650,000 homes throughout South Florida.
Go nuclear!
Go nukufukular yourself.- Hide quoted text -

It's funny because you said a dirty word! You're cool.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

Dave Head wrote:

On 18 Feb 2007 15:23:54 -0800, "Exxon Polluters" Exxon.Polluters@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
None of it's worth quoting. Its the same old bullshit -

Escalating power-plant costs to limit investment
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2007-02-16T174534Z_01_N16182242_RTRIDST_0_ENERGY-CERA-COSTS.XML Escalating power-plant costs to limit investment Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:45pm ET18
HOUSTON, Feb 16 (Reuters) - Escalating costs for steel and other raw materials needed to build new power plants will delay projects and force cancellations, limiting an expected worldwide construction boom, industry executives said at a conference this week.
"Because of cost uncertainty, we see clients struggling to decide whether to proceed" with generating projects, said Steve Edwards, executive vice president of Black & Veatch Corp., a global engineering and construction firm.
Edwards said Black & Veatch advises some clients who require additional power supply to "go ahead." For other clients that need only a portion of the power from a large-scale project, "that's a lot tougher question," Edwards said at the Cambridge Energy Research Associates conference.
Delays for steel for boilers have lengthened from three months to eight months and delays for steam turbines have stretched from 18 to 26 months, stretching out time needed for projects that move forward, Edwards said.
Rising labor costs are another factor that will limit the number of projects going forward, Edwards said. Annual construction may not reach an anticipated 15-gigawatt level "for some time," he said.
Power-plant investment is expected to total $4.5 billion between 2001 and 2030, said Andy Webster, a partner at consulting firm Accenture. Of the major capital projects completed so far, half have not met cost targets, construction deadlines, or initial performance goals, he said.
Lawrence Makovich, CERA managing partner for global power, said the average cost to build a new power plants is about $60 a megawatt while the price customers pay for electricity is more like $45 a megawatt.
The escalation trend even creates problems in regulated utility markets, Makovich said, citing concern about how long companies will wait to recover investment in new plants.
Because few power plants have been built in the past five years in the United States, "there will be sticker shock," said David Crane, chief executive of NRG Energy Inc., <NRG.N,> which has proposed building as much as 10,000 megawatts of new generation in Texas, California and the Northeast.
Old price estimates of $1,000 per kilowatt for coal plants and $500 for natural-gas plants "have probably doubled," Crane said.
Despite delay and postponement, cost pressures are not expected to abate. "We don't see any softening of prices for those projects that go through," said Edwards.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

wrote

Go nuclear!

Iran is trying, but AmeriKKKa is threatening to attack them with nuclear weapons. Israel too.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

The building of these coal plants is the direct result of not having serious nuclear policy in place. If they build nukes, in the medium to long run not only would it be much cheaper but there would be zero carbon emissions and zero particulate emission.
"Go nuclear" is indeed the call for the day in this case, with costs for fossil plants going up...and new generation nuclear plants going DOWN.
David

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

wrote

The building of these coal plants is the direct result of not having serious nuclear policy in place. If they build nukes, in the medium to long run not only would it be much cheaper but there would be zero carbon emissions and zero particulate emission.

Which is why Iran has it's wonderful nuclear power program.
Go Iran...

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Mar 23, 5:58 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" wrote:

dave.walt...@comcast.net> wrote
The building of these coal plants is the direct result of not having serious nuclear policy in place. If they build nukes, in the medium to long run not only would it be much cheaper but there would be zero carbon emissions and zero particulate emission.
Which is why Iran has it's wonderful nuclear power program.
Go Iran...

And what is wrong with a soveriegn country have a nuclear energy program?
David

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

Which is why Iran has it's wonderful nuclear power program.
Go Iran...

wrote in message

And what is wrong with a soveriegn country have a nuclear energy program?

Absolutely nothing. But AmeriKKKa and Israel have threatened to bomb Iran's nuclear power and enichment facilities, with nuclear weapons if needed.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" wrote:

Which is why Iran has it's wonderful nuclear power program.
Go Iran... dave.walt...@comcast.net> wrote in message And what is wrong with a soveriegn country have a nuclear energy program?
Absolutely nothing. But AmeriKKKa and Israel have threatened to bomb Iran's nuclear power and enichment facilities, with nuclear weapons if needed.

Well, actually, to be percise, I would contend they will leave the plant alone and bomb the reprocessing facilties, if they can find them, and kill or kidnap as many nuclear engineers as they can.
But this is a politcal question...do you think Iran ought to back down on their civilian nuclear program? They have plans for up to 15 reactors (although it will be a decade before they can afford to finance them).
David

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

wrote

Well, actually, to be percise, I would contend they will leave the plant alone and bomb the reprocessing facilties, if they can find them, and kill or kidnap as many nuclear engineers as they can.

It appears that Israel has already murdered a few Iranian Scientists.
I give Iran my permission to murder double the number of Israeli Scientists.
wrote

But this is a politcal question...do you think Iran ought to back down on their civilian nuclear program? They have plans for up to 15 reactors (although it will be a decade before they can afford to finance them).

Nope. I wish them great success in nuclearizing.
It is their right as a soverign nation.

Florida Power & Light Wants to Build Two Monster Coal Po

On Mar 23, 9:49 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" wrote:

dave.walt...@comcast.net> wrote
Well, actually, to be percise, I would contend they will leave the plant alone and bomb the reprocessing facilties, if they can find them, and kill or kidnap as many nuclear engineers as they can.
It appears that Israel has already murdered a few Iranian Scientists.
I give Iran my permission to murder double the number of Israeli Scientists.
dave.walt...@comcast.net> wrote
But this is a politcal question...do you think Iran ought to back down on their civilian nuclear program? They have plans for up to 15 reactors (although it will be a decade before they can afford to finance them).
Nope. I wish them great success in nuclearizing.
It is their right as a soverign nation.

I agree 100%.
David


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