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Steve Spence wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ....

Steve, I had a 1944 model..dip stick gas gage, I had a 55 model..dip stick gas gage...I dont think they put gas gauges in them until, the mid to later 50s.
Gunner

Cool, an actaul credible reference. Thanks.
Not knowing the difference between a type 1 and a type 2 made him a less than credible source.

According to the history of the Volkswagen there were no Volkswagens

made during world War two. Total production of the Volkswagen up until the plant was taken over for military production was about 150. Most of the machinery for making volkswagens had been moved out of the Wolfsburg plant for the making of V-1 buzz bombs in 1943. The plant was heavily damaged in bombing raids but the machinery which was stored off site was spared.
At the end of the war the Wolfsburg plant was in the British zone of occupation and was put back into production. By 1946 the plant was making 1000 cars a month using parts from the Kubelwagen and parts manufactured before the war. Total production of Volkswagens by December 1946 was about 10,000 units. The post war models up and all models up until 1957 model had a dual fuel pick up system. There was a small knob between the seats that when you opened it cause the fuel to be taken from a longer tube in the fuel tank. This reserve fuel system would give the Volkswagen about 60 miles before the tank ran dry. You did have to remember to switch to the shorter pick up tube in the tank when you gassed up.
I seem to remember some where that there may have been a dipstick on the early pre war models that were never sold to the general public but were used by the SS as test and evaluation vehicles.
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:53:35 -0500, Steve Spence wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ....
Steve, I had a 1944 model..dip stick gas gage, I had a 55 model..dip stick gas gage...I dont think they put gas gauges in them until, the mid to later 50s.
Gunner

Cool, an actaul credible reference. Thanks.
Not knowing the difference between a type 1 and a type 2 made him a less than credible source.

Shrug....its an interesting car with some fascinating history behind it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Beetle
My first one supposedly was made during the war before the factory was blown mostly blown up. I bought it in Germany, drove it around for a month or two, then resold it to another GI for somewhat more than I paid for it. Considerably more actually...<G>
Gunner
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News wrote:

"zadoc" wrote in message
The VW was originally designed as a German "Peoples Car".
More copied off a Czech Tatra model. VW paid compensation in the 1950s.

Fascinating. http://www.tatra.demon.nl/cars_history_T97.htm
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News wrote:

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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 09:01:02 -0500, Steve Spence sspence@green-trust.org> wrote:
Tony Wesley wrote:
SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out
The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.
and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.
I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ....
Steve, I had a 1944 model..dip stick gas gage,
1944? Have you the year correct? The production wasn't started up again until 1945 by the British Army having stopped in 1939/40. Was it a VW Jeep? If it was a 1944 it must be worth a fortune.

I thought the 1944 model was the V! ;-)
Seriously, Here are a few 1944 models:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/1940-1949/1944-VW-Type-1-Charcoal-Gas-System.htm
http://www.seriouswheels.com/1940-1949/1944-VW-Type-82-Wood-Gas-Generator.htm
http://www.12hj.com/vehicles3.html
http://vwtrendsweb.com/events/0204vwt_cincinnati_07zoom.jpg
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News wrote:
"zadoc" wrote in message
The VW was originally designed as a German "Peoples Car".
More copied off a Czech Tatra model. VW paid compensation in the 1950s.
Fascinating. http://www.tatra.demon.nl/cars_history_T97.htm

So much for Hitler having designed the shape. The early Beetle photos show it was a total rip-off, of the Tatra. Even the engineering to the flat air-cooled engine too.

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Steve Spence wrote: Gunner Asch wrote:
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ....

Steve, I had a 1944 model..dip stick gas gage, I had a 55 model..dip stick gas gage...I dont think they put gas gauges in them until, the mid to later 50s.
Gunner

Cool, an actaul credible reference. Thanks.
Not knowing the difference between a type 1 and a type 2 made him a less than credible source.

According to the history of the Volkswagen there were no Volkswagens made during world War two. Total production of the Volkswagen up until the plant was taken over for military production was about 150. Most of the machinery for making volkswagens had been moved out of the Wolfsburg plant for the making of V-1 buzz bombs in 1943. The plant was heavily damaged in bombing raids but the machinery which was stored off site was spared.
At the end of the war the Wolfsburg plant was in the British zone of occupation and was put back into production. By 1946 the plant was making 1000 cars a month using parts from the Kubelwagen and parts manufactured before the war. Total production of Volkswagens by December 1946 was about 10,000 units.

Yep. Any 1944 models were built pre-war. The English engineer commissioned by the British Army to get the car moving ASAP, admired the engineering with its alloy transaxle. He approached the established British auto companies, who he was contemptuous of, who looked and rejected it. Ford said the car was "not worth a damn". He said there probably wasn't enough cast iron it for them, viewing auto companies as stuck in the past (what has changed?). So, he started up the car by himself and ensured there were customers with the British Army buying 1000s of them painted British Army green. If the army said no to the car it would have been stillborn and no Herbie films.

"Steve Spence" wrote in message

Tony Wesley wrote: SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out
The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.
and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.
I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ... I don't remember the 49 split window having one either.

It had under dash fuel valve,like a motorcycle. The main setting runs low and you flipped it over to reserve. Of course ,some of us forgot to set it back to main when we filled up. Think the fuel gauge was a late 50's thing.But then so was the heater. Some argue that the thing VW added wasn't a heater,given the output.

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The old beetles did *not* have a gas guage - there was a reserve tank operated by a lever on the floor that held an extra gallon of gas. I wound up having to read the owners manual on the side of the road one day, trying to figure out how to turn that damned lever on!!
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"Steve Spence" wrote in message
Tony Wesley wrote:
SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out
The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.

and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.
I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ...
I don't remember the 49 split window having one either. It had under dash fuel valve,like a motorcycle. The main setting runs low and you flipped it over to reserve. Of course ,some of us forgot to set it back to main when we filled up. Think the fuel gauge was a late 50's thing.But then so was the heater. Some argue that the thing VW added wasn't a heater,given the output.

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Arnold Walker wrote: "Steve Spence" wrote in message
Think the fuel gauge was a late 50's thing.

I got a brand new VW in'57 - no gauge on that one.

But then so was the heater. Some argue that the thing VW added wasn't a heater,given the output.

I remember my wife and I traveling from Fargo to Winnipeg in '63. About 30 below and a 30 to 40 mph headwind! What heater? Crazy kids! We should have been locked up for our own safety. LOL

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:33:13 -0500, LizS wrote:

The old beetles did *not* have a gas guage - there was a reserve tank operated by a lever on the floor that held an extra gallon of gas. I wound up having to read the owners manual on the side of the road one day, trying to figure out how to turn that damned lever on!!
Depends how old the beetle is, and what trim level.

My 49 didn't have a fuel guage, but the filler was big enough I could stick my hand in it. Standard equipment was a ruler marked off in gallons.Mine had the old 985? cc engine(1948 and earlier - was used on military production)
1962 and up beetles had a fuel guage available - may have been optional on low trim. Most were mechanical, not electric.

Arnold Walker wrote: "Steve Spence" wrote in message
Tony Wesley wrote:
SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out
The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.

and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.
I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ...
I don't remember the 49 split window having one either. It had under dash fuel valve,like a motorcycle. The main setting runs low and you flipped it over to reserve. Of course ,some of us forgot to set it back to main when we filled up. Think the fuel gauge was a late 50's thing.But then so was the heater. Some argue that the thing VW added wasn't a heater,given the output.

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"Steve Spence" wrote in message Tony Wesley wrote: SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out
The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.
and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.
I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ...
I don't remember the 49 split window having one either.

The VW was only imported into the USA in the 1960s. A Jewish add agency did the advertising for Hitler's car.

The year before the Rabbit came out the US had warned VW if they didn't change the shape of their car it would not be allowed into the country due to safety reasons. Many accidents resulted in the opposing vehicle sliding up into the driver compartment.

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"Arnold Walker" wrote in message
"Steve Spence" wrote in message Tony Wesley wrote: SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out
The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.
and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.
I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ...
I don't remember the 49 split window having one either.
The VW was only imported into the USA in the 1960s. A Jewish add agency did the advertising for Hitler's car.

News wrote:

"Arnold Walker" wrote in message
"Steve Spence" wrote in message
Tony Wesley wrote:
SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out

The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.
and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.

I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ...
I don't remember the 49 split window having one either.
The VW was only imported into the USA in the 1960s. A Jewish add agency did the advertising for Hitler's car.

Nope, the first Bug was exported to the USA in 1949, In Canada in 1952, Volkswagen of America was formed in 1955.

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News wrote:
"Arnold Walker" wrote in message
"Steve Spence" wrote in message
Tony Wesley wrote:
SolarFlare wrote:
The original Volkswagen did not have a model name. "Beetle" was a name made up after the Rabbit came out

The Beetle name was officially added in 1968. The Super Beetle came out in 1971.
The Rabbit didn't appear until some years later.
and they didn't want the de facto name used by the public to catch hold ... "Bug"
The dipstick to check the gas left in the tank was a pain in the ass in the winter too.

I had two of them, the oldest a 63. Both had gas gauges.
I don't ever recall VW's having a gas dipstick (I've had a lot of VW's over the years). I think the only dipstick is the one suggesting they did, and not knowing there were "type" numbers for each body style. Maybe he was putting gas in the crankcase ...
I don't remember the 49 split window having one either.
The VW was only imported into the USA in the 1960s. A Jewish add agency did the advertising for Hitler's car.
Nope, the first Bug was exported to the USA in 1949, In Canada in 1952, Volkswagen of America was formed in 1955.

I am surprised. Maybe some of the very simple gauges, etc, in the initial post WW2 versions (to say the VW was made pre-war was stretching it a little) were to British Army specifications. The military don't like extra needless complexity.

In article , "News" wrote:

I am surprised. Maybe some of the very simple gauges, etc, in the initial post WW2 versions (to say the VW was made pre-war was stretching it a little) were to British Army specifications. The military don't like extra needless complexity.

The early version had neither fuel gauge or dipstick, but a reserve tank and valve. When the engine sputtered for lack of gas, you reached down and flipped the reserve valve to get the rest of the gas in the bottom of the tank. Make sure you reset the valve when you fill up.
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