GM to Put 100 Hydrogen-Run Vehicles on the Road in 2007

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lkgeo1 wrote:

GM to Put 100 Hydrogen-Run Vehicles on the Road in 2007

yeah, right !

Eeyore wrote:

lkgeo1 wrote:
GM to Put 100 Hydrogen-Run Vehicles on the Road in 2007
yeah, right !

Well, there is this... http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6011.html : With support from the Federal and Ontario Governments as part of GM : Canada's Beacon Project (announced in March 2005) GM's engineering : centre in Oshawa Ontario is playing a key engineering role in the : conversion of more than 100 Chevrolet Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles
Read that as, GM is getting paid by various government agencies to convert existing vehicles to run off fuel cells. How much money is GM spending or is it all being paid for by the taxpayers?
:...the Equinox Fuel Cell is a fully-functional crossover vehicle, : engineered for an 80,000 km life.
I guess once you hit 50,000 Miles you need to buy a new car. :) Funny, I actually know people that drive more than this in one year.
There is also this little tidbit...
http://www.commutercars.com/h2/ : BMW, ...plans to have a fleet of 100 hydrogen vehicles on the road : in the 1990s
Anthony

Anthony Matonak wrote:

Eeyore wrote: lkgeo1 wrote:
GM to Put 100 Hydrogen-Run Vehicles on the Road in 2007
yeah, right !
Well, there is this... http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6011.html : With support from the Federal and Ontario Governments as part of GM : Canada's Beacon Project (announced in March 2005) GM's engineering : centre in Oshawa Ontario is playing a key engineering role in the : conversion of more than 100 Chevrolet Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles

For what reason ?
Where are the cheap hydrogen pumps ?

Read that as, GM is getting paid by various government agencies to convert existing vehicles to run off fuel cells. How much money is GM spending or is it all being paid for by the taxpayers?

How many arses were licked to get even this far ?

:...the Equinox Fuel Cell is a fully-functional crossover vehicle, : engineered for an 80,000 km life.
I guess once you hit 50,000 Miles you need to buy a new car. :) Funny, I actually know people that drive more than this in one year.

Good Lord ! You don't say !

There is also this little tidbit...
http://www.commutercars.com/h2/ : BMW, ...plans to have a fleet of 100 hydrogen vehicles on the road : in the 1990s

So they once said.
The Hydrogen Economy is a fools' paradise.
Watch the little green bottles fall !
Graham

"Today's fuel cells generate power at a cost of greater than $2,000 per kilowatt, compared with $35 per kilowatt for the internal combustion engine, so they are more than 10 times more expensive than conventional automotive technology," Agrawal said. "At the same time, fuel cells have an operating lifetime for cars of less than 1,000 hours of driving time, compared with at least 5,000 hours of driving time for an internal combustion engine.
"That means fuel cells wear out at least five times faster than internal combustion engines. If I buy a new car, I expect it to last, say, 10 years, which equates to about 3,000 hours of driving time. If my fuel cell only lasts 1,000 hours, you can see that's not very practical."
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050510.Agrawal.fuelcells.html

mgkelson@yahoo.com wrote:

"Today's fuel cells generate power at a cost of greater than $2,000 per kilowatt, compared with $35 per kilowatt for the internal combustion engine, so they are more than 10 times more expensive than conventional automotive technology," Agrawal said. "At the same time, fuel cells have an operating lifetime for cars of less than 1,000 hours of driving time, compared with at least 5,000 hours of driving time for an internal combustion engine.
"That means fuel cells wear out at least five times faster than internal combustion engines. If I buy a new car, I expect it to last, say, 10 years, which equates to about 3,000 hours of driving time. If my fuel cell only lasts 1,000 hours, you can see that's not very practical."
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050510.Agrawal.fuelcells.html

Modern ICE cars are easily good for 15 years - 200,000 mi or so with only modest maintenance !
When the alternatives can match that..........
Graham

Eeyore wrote:

mgkelson@yahoo.com wrote:
"Today's fuel cells generate power at a cost of greater than $2,000 per kilowatt, compared with $35 per kilowatt for the internal combustion engine, so they are more than 10 times more expensive than conventional automotive technology," Agrawal said. "At the same time, fuel cells have an operating lifetime for cars of less than 1,000 hours of driving time, compared with at least 5,000 hours of driving time for an internal combustion engine.
"That means fuel cells wear out at least five times faster than internal combustion engines. If I buy a new car, I expect it to last, say, 10 years, which equates to about 3,000 hours of driving time. If my fuel cell only lasts 1,000 hours, you can see that's not very practical."
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050510.Agrawal.fuelcells.html
Modern ICE cars are easily good for 15 years - 200,000 mi or so with only modest maintenance !
When the alternatives can match that..........
Graham

I have a Geo Prism with 160,000 miles on it and it still purrs like kitten and gets 39 MPG.
Those people who think there are good, cheap alternative energy sources out there and all we need to do is put our scientists/engineers/politicians to work to solve the problem are being naive. That doesn't mean, of course, that we shouldn't be working on it. However, the wild-eyed optimists add to the problem by believing there are easy, cheap solutions available when there aren't.