Honda Hydrogen Fuel Cells:

Honda has long been conducting research into hydrogen production and supply systems for a hydrogen-based society of the future. At the solar-powered water electrolyzing hydrogen station that has been operating on an experimental basis since 2001 at Honda R&D Americas in Torrance, California, employment of Honda's water electrolyzing module, which boasts world-leading efficiency, as well as next-generation solar cell panels made by Honda Engineering, has further improved hydrogen production efficiency and greatly reduced CO2 emissions during system manufacturing. In 2003 Honda established an experimental Home Energy Station that generates hydrogen from natural gas for use in fuel cell vehicles, while supplying electricity and hot water to the home through fuel cell cogeneration functions. In November 2004, in collaboration with Plug Power Inc. of the US, Honda began operating a second-generation Home Energy Station, which unifies natural gas reformer and pressurizing units into one compact component to reduce the overall volume by approximately 50%. Honda is continuing its efforts to develop systems required for a hydrogen-based society of the future through experiments with various hydrogen production and usage systems.
http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/FCX/station/

lkgeo1 wrote: ....

In November 2004, in collaboration with Plug Power Inc. of the US, Honda began operating a second-generation Home Energy Station, which unifies natural gas reformer and pressurizing units into one compact component to reduce the overall volume by approximately 50%.

Why the shell game with Hydrogen when it's really natural gas that people will be using? Doesn't reforming to hydrogen and then using hydrogen in wildly expensive fuel cells produce less energy than simply using the natural gas in an internal combustion engine?
Anthony

lkgeo1 wrote:

Honda has long been conducting research into hydrogen production and supply systems for a hydrogen-based society of the future

Bwahahahahhahha !

lkgeo1 wrote:

for a hydrogen-based society of the future.

Fot the fools of the future surely ?
Graham

lkgeo1 wrote:

in collaboration with Plug Power Inc. of the US

The company that can't make a profit ?
Bwahahahahahahhah

Anthony Matonak wrote:

lkgeo1 wrote: ... In November 2004, in collaboration with Plug Power Inc. of the US, Honda began operating a second-generation Home Energy Station, which unifies natural gas reformer and pressurizing units into one compact component to reduce the overall volume by approximately 50%.
Why the shell game with Hydrogen when it's really natural gas that people will be using? Doesn't reforming to hydrogen and then using hydrogen in wildly expensive fuel cells produce less energy than simply using the natural gas in an internal combustion engine?

ICEs are hugely more efficient. And cost less.
Graham

"Anthony Matonak" wrote in message

lkgeo1 wrote: ... In November 2004, in collaboration with Plug Power Inc. of the US, Honda began operating a second-generation Home Energy Station, which unifies natural gas reformer and pressurizing units into one compact component to reduce the overall volume by approximately 50%.
Why the shell game with Hydrogen when it's really natural gas that people will be using? Doesn't reforming to hydrogen and then using hydrogen in wildly expensive fuel cells produce less energy than simply using the natural gas in an internal combustion engine?
See http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hydrogen-economy2.htm

I'm not taking a position. I'm just supplying the link. I think the idea is that hydrogen is to be produced by electrolysis, or a related process. See, for example, http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20000916/fob6.asp and even more radically, http://www.physorg.com/news74876771.html
If these or related methods become practical, then "hydrogen economy" would in fact be completely different from "fossil fuel economy." Otherwise, we have the vague idea that by reforming natural gas in a stationary plant, CO2 could be completely sequestered, thus helping to control or stop global warming.

soundhaspriority wrote:

Otherwise, we have the vague idea that by reforming natural gas in a stationary plant, CO2 could be completely sequestered, thus helping to control or stop global warming.

There is no spare natural gas to do this with.
The concept is stillborn.
Graham

True, but there's a shitload of Methane Hyydrate far exceeding all the combined Crude and NG every harvested or will ever be harvested and one of the largest deposits is just off the Canadian East Coast!
Check it out!
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True, but there's a shitload of Methane Hyydrate far exceeding all the combined Crude and NG every harvested or will ever be harvested and one of the largest deposits is just off the Canadian East Coast!
Check it out!
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Their biggest customer in the short term is petrochem guys needing a touch more hydrogen to make that plastic or???? production process work.
In addition to them another Texas company,FutureGen is building plants that gasify coal,sequence the CO2,and generate hydrogen. While generating electricity off the heat from this process.....
Additionally another Texas company TXU(Texas Utilites) is approved for the first US nuke plant construction in 20 years. They will upgrade an existing nuke plant to modern standards and build 3 more. TXU differs from the light companies making the news during the heat wave, with their commitment to energy generation and distribution.
Additionally, it is Texas companies for the most part, actually looking at building commerical Focused Fusion or Xray/particle beam excited reactors for power generation.Once the R&D guys perfect those sources........ Actualy see Aggies trapping anti-matter....or should that be trying to trap antimatter? fission is 1000 times the energydensity of chemical fusiion si roughly that many times fission antimatter(like in the fictional warp drives in Star Trek) that many times fussion.(physics guys already figured out that impulse engine using antimatter will not exceed the speed of light like in Star Trek. Just 40% to 75% of Light speed depending on who you talk to ......)
Texas refineries are looking at reforming that Methane Hydrate into petrochem products as the market opens up....so you are not only talking gas,but plastics,lubes,and liquid fuel as well.





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Someone said Bush Was above reproach?
Erle Nye Dallas TX CEO, Texas Utilities Appointed by Bush to Texas A&M Board of Regents
Another list of miscreants http://www.caprep.com/0606034.htm including the CEO of futuregen, Mike Mudd
"Arnold Walker" wrote in message

"OneHungLow" wrote in message True, but there's a shitload of Methane Hyydrate far exceeding all the combined Crude and NG every harvested or will ever be harvested and one of the largest deposits is just off the Canadian East Coast!
Check it out!
-- Please check your files, update IG3 Tags & Post Artwork. TIA! True....Have a Texas company doing just that right now. Their biggest customer in the short term is petrochem guys needing a touch more hydrogen to make that plastic or???? production process work.
In addition to them another Texas company,FutureGen is building plants that gasify coal,sequence the CO2,and generate hydrogen. While generating electricity off the heat from this process.....
Additionally another Texas company TXU(Texas Utilites) is approved for the first US nuke plant construction in 20 years. They will upgrade an existing nuke plant to modern standards and build 3 more. TXU differs from the light companies making the news during the heat wave, with their commitment to energy generation and distribution.
Additionally, it is Texas companies for the most part, actually looking at building commerical Focused Fusion or Xray/particle beam excited reactors for power generation.Once the R&D guys perfect those sources........ Actualy see Aggies trapping anti-matter....or should that be trying to trap antimatter? fission is 1000 times the energydensity of chemical fusiion si roughly that many times fission antimatter(like in the fictional warp drives in Star Trek) that many times fussion.(physics guys already figured out that impulse engine using antimatter will not exceed the speed of light like in Star Trek. Just 40% to 75% of Light speed depending on who you talk to ......)
Texas refineries are looking at reforming that Methane Hydrate into petrochem products as the market opens up....so you are not only talking gas,but plastics,lubes,and liquid fuel as well.





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