CHINA holds int'l symposium on solar energy -- attended by e

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-10/13/content_3614140.htm
Nation holds int'l symposium on solar energy www.chinaview.cn 2005-10-13 22:51:36
LANZHOU, Oct.13 (Xinhuanet) -- An international symposium was held in Lanzhou, northwest China's Gansu province, from October 12 to 13 on the topic of solar energy use in developing countries.
The International Symposium on Solar Energy in Developing Countries(ISSEDC) was attended by experts and officials from over 20 developing countries, including China, Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria.
The purpose of the meeting is to share experience on development of solar energy and renewable energy, and to strengthen international exchange and cooperation.
"Developing solar energy is a complex and systematic project which calls for multilateral and bilateral cooperation," said ZhaoYongli, director of the China International Center for Economic and Technical Exchanges.
China has become a new training center for technical personnel of solar energy utilization in developing countries. To date, the Asia-Pacific Research and Training Center for Solar Energy, which is located in Yuzhong County of Lanzhou, has trainednearly 500 solar energy specialists from 72 countries.
The symposium was jointly organized by the United Nations Development Program(UNDP), the United Nations Industrial Development Organization(UNDIO), UNDP Special Unit for South-SouthCooperation, and China International Center for Economic and Technical Exchanges.
The symposium produced a "Lanzhou Declaration" Thursday, providing suggestions for developing countries in the field of future solar energy cooperation.

yono. if Science Cop, Melchizedek, H2-PV, H2.PV, hanson, Steve.Schulin, Global_Warming, lifeform1, and all other forms of this sockpuppet can dig up so much stupid shit about hydrogen in just one day....
We don't have a chance as a species, do we?
Best, Dan.

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

yono. if Science Cop, Melchizedek, H2-PV, H2.PV, hanson, Steve.Schulin, Global_Warming, lifeform1, and all other forms of this sockpuppet can dig up so much stupid shit about hydrogen in just one day....
We don't have a chance as a species, do we?
Best, Dan.

No, Not if you are sucking on an Oil Pipeline for your primary incomes, dribbling gobs of Petroleum Jelly down your chin onto your Blue Dress, you cheap tramp.
About large PV... http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,64052,00.html "... Solar panels are in short supply because many manufacturers are sending their available product to Germany and Japan, where they can be sold for more, according to solar energy consultant Paul Maycock of PV Energy Systems. He said that while demand in the United States increased last year, production actually went down slightly as large photovoltaic manufacturers including BP and Sharp moved production facilities to Europe.
Solar panel installations in Germany, which is about the size of Oregon, will produce about 220 megawatts in 2004, or nearly twice the amount predicted for the United States, according to Maycock. Germany gives customers a credit of 0.5 euro per kilowatt-hour for using solar energy. He said Japan and Spain also have aggressive strategies for spreading solar energy, which are adding to the shortage in the United States. "If companies can get a higher price in Europe, then that's where they'll sell it," Maycock said. ..."
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:01:25 GMT, Dan Bloomquist writes:

We don't have a chance as a species, do we?

We do as long as we have thinking people like you to inject some reality and reason into the discussion.
Scott

Scott A Crosby wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:01:25 GMT, Dan Bloomquist writes:
We don't have a chance as a species, do we?
We do as long as we have thinking people like you to inject some reality and reason into the discussion.

Thanks Scott, But I'm no angel. I'll get short if someone refuses to think. At that, I may be biased in some ways. I try to keep it to the point and address misinformation where I think I see it. I've learned a lot on usenet from guys way smarter than me.
You may have noticed that my pet peeve is 'peak oil'. Again, I'm trying to address this objectively. But it scares the hell out of me. It is, as far as I can tell, the most important challenge of the industrial era.
And to clarify the sig below, I don't intend it as partisan. It just happens that those are the current leaders. Clinton probably knew as much as they did on the issue but did squat.
There is so much more that I think about and discuss privately with others that drives me nuts. But I do my best to stay on the energy topic as I post from sci.energy.

Scott

Best, Dan.
-- "We need an energy policy that encourages consumption" George W. Bush.
"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." Vice President Dick Cheney

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:38:46 GMT, Dan Bloomquist writes:

But I'm no angel. I'll get short if someone refuses to think. At that, I may be biased in some ways. I try to keep it to the point and address misinformation where I think I see it. I've learned a lot on usenet from guys way smarter than me.

Agreed.
I can see why troll discussions must be incredibly frustrating to the other participants, but there's a silent audience that is around and is learning from the discussion. I've found the recent troll discussion valuable, even though I read few posts by the troll, I read almost every response. (I would have read the troll's posts too, except they were nearly unreadible.)

You may have noticed that my pet peeve is 'peak oil'. Again, I'm trying to address this objectively. But it scares the hell out of me. It is, as far as I can tell, the most important challenge of the industrial era.

I agree its a problem, but I'm not sure how bad it may turn out, civilization, when it actually puts aside bickering and puts its mind to it, can do amazing things. Maybe I'm optimistic in hoping we *will* work together to build the infrastructure when the time comes. If we don't, we're screwed.
I do note that the US built new power plants --- in ordinary peacetime, at up to .3-.5EJ/year, averaging .25EJ/year for the last 50 years [1]. Total oil use is 40EJ/year. Conceievably at 10x our proven building rate, we could overcome the primary energy deficiency of peak oil in at most ~15 years, 8 years if demand halves from increased prices.

And to clarify the sig below, I don't intend it as partisan. It just happens that those are the current leaders. Clinton probably knew as much as they did on the issue but did squat.

I never noticed your Bush sig before. Bush is totally clueless! Cheney is right --- You can't conserve yourself down to no utilization.

-- "We need an energy policy that encourages consumption" George W. Bush.
"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." Vice President Dick Cheney

Scott
[1] http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/txt/ptb0802a.html

Scott A Crosby wrote:

I agree its {peak oil] a problem, but I'm not sure how bad it may turn out, civilization, when it actually puts aside bickering and puts its mind to it, can do amazing things. Maybe I'm optimistic in hoping we *will* work together to build the infrastructure when the time comes. If we don't, we're screwed.

All depends on who the "we" is in that sentence. It is quite defensible to be optimistic about the future of the human race while simultaneously being pessimistic about the future of some current sub-units.
Most interesting example I am aware of is the decision of the Chinese Empire back around the 1430s to close the borders and turn their back on technology. The then-leading culture went into a decline that lasted about 500 years. Now the Chinese are back, building nuclear power plants, developing their industrial infrastructure, planning to put a man on the moon in 12 years.
The human race will survive and thrive, although there will certainly be some bumps along the way. But there is no guarantee that societies that until recently were leaders will still be there to see it.