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Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy
Senior Gary Bose-Simpson demonstrates how he can monitor the photovoltaic cells
Two to three percent of Monroe-Woodbury High School's electricity these days comes from photovoltaic cells mounted on the roof. That translates to 8,000 kilowatt hours of power from the 650 square foot units mounted on the roof of the school building in Central Valley.
The savings from the solar energy amounts to $2,000 - $3,000 annually.
Funding for the program, in part, came from the Petroleum Overcharge Restitution Fund. That came to over $1 million including a $75,000 grant secured by Senator William Larkin.
New York Power Authority President Eugene Zeltmann told a news conference at the high school yesterday that his agency has worked with the district to bring down costs. NYPA installed high-efficiency lighting, speed traps, variable speed motors, energy saving windows and energy saving control systems, he said. The Power Authority is also working on getting the district an electric powered school bus in the not-too-distant future.
Zeltmann said renewable energy sources like solar power are important to the state's future as the nation needs to lessen dependence on foreign oil.

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

So you're saying that for a $1,000,000 investment, they get a return of $2,000 to $3,000 annually.
What's wrong with this picture?

"H2-PV" wrote in message

http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/MWHS_solen-19Oct05.htm
Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy
Senior Gary Bose-Simpson demonstrates how he can monitor the photovoltaic cells
Two to three percent of Monroe-Woodbury High School's electricity these days comes from photovoltaic cells mounted on the roof. That translates to 8,000 kilowatt hours of power from the 650 square foot units mounted on the roof of the school building in Central Valley.
The savings from the solar energy amounts to $2,000 - $3,000 annually.
Funding for the program, in part, came from the Petroleum Overcharge Restitution Fund. That came to over $1 million including a $75,000 grant secured by Senator William Larkin.
New York Power Authority President Eugene Zeltmann told a news conference at the high school yesterday that his agency has worked with the district to bring down costs. NYPA installed high-efficiency lighting, speed traps, variable speed motors, energy saving windows and energy saving control systems, he said. The Power Authority is also working on getting the district an electric powered school bus in the not-too-distant future.
Zeltmann said renewable energy sources like solar power are important to the state's future as the nation needs to lessen dependence on foreign oil.

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

Jik Bombo wrote:

So you're saying that for a $1,000,000 investment, they get a return of $2,000 to $3,000 annually.
What's wrong with this picture?


The fact that they will go waay overbudget on their investment and that the return (if any -- highly unlikely) will not be remotely what they expect.
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Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

Jik Bombo wrote:

So you're saying that for a $1,000,000 investment, they get a return of $2,000 to $3,000 annually.
What's wrong with this picture?

NOTHING is wrong with that picture. The money came from a PETROLEUM OVERCHARGE RESTITUTION fund, and this is a good way to spend it. The kids get a $1,000,000 science lab to grow up with teaching principles of Solar Energy and PhotoVoltaics (PV). If ever there was a TRUE Petroleum Overcharge Restitution, a bustup of the R.I.C.O organized crime rings of the petrol-terrorists, the kids would get back all those TRILLIONS of dollars spent on the military to defend oil sea lanes with aircraft carrier battle groups.
They say the cost of one B1 bomber is over half a billion by itself, money stolen from schoolkids who should have been learning H2-PV for the three decades since the first oil crisis in 1976.

Funding for the program, in part, came from the Petroleum Overcharge Restitution Fund. That came to over $1 million including a $75,000 grant secured by Senator William Larkin.


"H2-PV" wrote in message http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/MWHS_solen-19Oct05.htm
Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy
Senior Gary Bose-Simpson demonstrates how he can monitor the photovoltaic cells
Two to three percent of Monroe-Woodbury High School's electricity these days comes from photovoltaic cells mounted on the roof. That translates to 8,000 kilowatt hours of power from the 650 square foot units mounted on the roof of the school building in Central Valley.
The savings from the solar energy amounts to $2,000 - $3,000 annually.
Funding for the program, in part, came from the Petroleum Overcharge Restitution Fund. That came to over $1 million including a $75,000 grant secured by Senator William Larkin.
New York Power Authority President Eugene Zeltmann told a news conference at the high school yesterday that his agency has worked with the district to bring down costs. NYPA installed high-efficiency lighting, speed traps, variable speed motors, energy saving windows and energy saving control systems, he said. The Power Authority is also working on getting the district an electric powered school bus in the not-too-distant future.
Zeltmann said renewable energy sources like solar power are important to the state's future as the nation needs to lessen dependence on foreign oil.

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

So you're saying that for a $1,000,000 investment, they get a return of $2,000 to $3,000 annually.
What's wrong with this picture?

Yes, how DARE we spend money on children's education - why, how much did the taxpayers pay for the school itself, for the teachers' salaries, for the school books and supplies and administration and janitors, oh my!
Obviously, we can make a MUCH bigger profit by rescinding the child labor laws and sending them to work in the coal mines. After all, by keeping America reliant on its coal for the majority of our power, we can save hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil for our SUVs and Hummers. AND we don't need to actually think about alternatives .
/Roy

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

Rico Bombo posted"
"The money came from a PETROLEUM OVERCHARGE RESTITUTION fund, and this is a good way to spend it."
Possibly it is in your opinion. However, in my simple mind, sweetheart deals like this should be prosecutable under the RICO Statutes, since the funds stem from an organized criminal extortion of the petroleum industry
Also, sweetheart deals like the one described are generally over-ripe with corruption. After all, how much kick-back was involved in diverting that $1,000,000 from books, teachers and other legitimately justified and and needed educational resources in the community? How much of it went into lining the pockets of legislators, other politicians, and contractors?
Other than that, since when do "speed traps" have anything in common with high-efficiency lighting, variable speed motors, energy saving windows and energy saving control systems, except for the fact that they all function in some way exist mainly to fill the pockets of greedy politicians in largely provincial areas of our country (including Western New York State).
Harry C.

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:

Rico Bombo posted"
"The money came from a PETROLEUM OVERCHARGE RESTITUTION fund, and this is a good way to spend it."
Possibly it is in your opinion. However, in my simple mind, sweetheart deals like this should be prosecutable under the RICO Statutes, since the funds stem from an organized criminal extortion of the petroleum industry...

Come on Harry. It is just give and take. It may be a waste but no one but us chumps are getting hurt. It hardly offsets the handout to petroleum companies provided by the energy bill. It was done for show.

...except for the fact that they all function in some way exist mainly to fill the pockets of greedy politicians in largely provincial areas of our country (including Western New York State).

How about that bridge to nowhere in Alaska? It is not just the politicians, it includes all their buddies that constructed that bridge.

Harry C.

Best, Dan.
-- "We need an energy policy that encourages consumption" George W. Bush.

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

Dan posted:
"How about that bridge to nowhere in Alaska? It is not just the politicians, it includes all their buddies that constructed that bridge."
It's exactly the same thing Dan, but that doesn't make it right, It remains a diversion of public moneys from the real needs to politicians and contractors pockets. We have the same thing going on here in Chelmsford, MA, where the taxpayers are going to be hit with the cost of equipping a local highschool with a full, broadway stage in the hope that it will "encourage the performance arts"...(and I add) while lining the pockets of a few local politicians, contractors, and consultants. Gimme a break. It is precisely things like this that cause me to doubt the intelligence of the average, public highschool educated, citizen -- who unfortunately gets an equal vote on matters that tax us all.
One wonders what will come next. Maybe a sports stadium of major league class, so even the kids forced into playing Little League Baseball will have a place to excel for their parents gratificiation, before moving into the dull and pointless life of a factory worker.
The opportunties for promoters and exploiters to turn a fast buck on the "needs" of the children is nearly endless. Likely this is permitted by our society because somehow we have become victim to the silly notion that expending public funds on the wants of of those that lack promise is somehow more important than nurturing the needs of the promising!
Dan, what people today fail to grasp is that the shakers and movers of tomorrows society will be the little kids in the playgrounds of today. I was a child of the forties, but today as then, our public and school libraries lack the textbooks needed to fuel knowledge sucking young minds and, for the most part, the ability of teachers in the public schools is equally limited, because gaining employment in public education even today remains a political option without regard to the qualifications and abilities of the teacher.
This is not conjecture on my part, it is personal experience. Because I came from a lower middle-class family of limited financial means, I was automatically assigned to vocational agriculture when I reached highschool, at least until one teacher recognized that I had unusual abilities in science and mathematics. He fought and eventually had me reassigned to an academic carrer path. He urged me not to attend the New Jersey State Teachers College, because he already knew that would be a waste. Subsequently I applied to Drexel, MIT, and RIT, and was accepted at all three. I graduated in physics from Drexel, and went on to earn a masters at Princeton. That teacher was fired the year after my highschool graduation, but went on to become the director at the Fels Panetarium at the Franklin Institue in Philadelphia, PA.
That's an example of how the administration of public education in the US works, and why it is such a miserable failure.
I recount this tale for only one purpose, to illustrate how poorly resources made available to public education are productively exploited, along with the subtle, liberal mentality that allows this SHIT to be permitted.
Harry C.

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H2-PV, has it crossed your mind that the seminal purpose of the "Petroleum Overcharge Restitution Fund" was to provide restitution to those overcharged by the petroleum interestes?
So, why isn't the diversion of these fund to other purposes simply criminal fraud, a felony.
Are the prosecutors in New York State "asleep at the switch" or what?
Harry C.

Monroe-Woodbury High School powers with solar energy --

H2-PV, has it crossed your mind that the seminal purpose of the "Petroleum Overcharge Restitution Fund" was to provide restitution to those overcharged by the petroleum interestes?

seminal? As in "Of, relating to, containing, or conveying semen or seed."? Well, I always thought we were being fvcked by the petroleum companies ...

So, why isn't the diversion of these fund to other purposes simply criminal fraud, a felony.

How WOULD you restitute those overcharged, Harry? Ask everyone in the U.S. to send in odometer logs, and then issue them checks based on their make and year of car, region of the nation they drove in, and number of miles driven? This task would literally dwarf even the IRS' modest annual efforts. Who would do it? The DMV? Lines are already slow enough there as it is.
Besides, the government cannot defraud itself. A school is a government building - who are you going to prosecute, the principal? Or the children?
Next time, Harry, maybe you should engage a little more grey matter before moving those magic keyboard keys ...
/Roy


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