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-> Nice work, Erdy. Were you able to determine if the sun ever gets above the -> horizon in 24 hours at that latitude? If it does not, then I suggest they -> might have put on some "file footage" of when the group was able to play in -> daylight on a date closer to January, during their Summer, and presented -> that.
The OP (Duane) didn't say that the sun was above the horizon, in the TV pictures he saw. He said that mountaintops were illuminated by sunlight, which is a very different thing. It means that someone standing on the mountain would be able to see the sun, by light that had grazed the horizon as far away as the observer could see. When I was a kid, I learned that the distance to the horizon, in miles, is roughly the square-root of the height of the observer, in feet. So suppose a mountain is 5000 feet high. An observer at its summit could see the horizon about 70 miles away. This means, in the context of the antarctic concert, that if the sun was above the horizon as seen by someone near sea level but located 70 miles (roughly 1 degree of latitude) north of the concert location, then a 5000-foot mountain near the concert would have its summit in sunlight.
Someone calculated here that the sun was less than one degree below the horizon, as seen from the concert site (and without allowing for the radius of the sun and for atmospheric refraction). This means that any 5000-foot mountains near the site *would* have been in full sunlight.
There was no fakery, and no mystery. It was all perfectly normal.
dow Very good, the sun and at the right angle, I love it when mysteries are

solved by rock solid science. Randy

-> >>Yes...The Summer solstice just recently occured on June 21. -> >>Winter time just started down there. -> > -> > No, it means that it's mid-winter. (Not entierly correct, but at least -> > the darkest day of the year) -> Incorrect. -> Either of the two instants during the year when the Sun, as seen from Earth, -> is farthest north or south of the equator. The summer solstice (when the Sun -> is over the Tropic of Cancer) occurs around June 21st; the winter solstice -> (when the Sun is over the Tropic of Capricorn) happens around December 21st. -> In the Northern Hemisphere, summer and winter officially begin at the -> instants of the summer and winter solstices, respectively. -> www.astrosociety.org/education/publications/tnl/14/14.html "Officially" is an inappropriate word. In *some* contexts, and in *some* countries, the solstices and equinoxes are regarded as the boundaries of the seasons. In others, groups of months are used. In Europe, for example, it's common to say that winter consists of the months December, January and February. Spring is the next three months, and so on. It is certainly true that the June solstice is the date when the sun is furthest north, as seen from the earth. In the southern hemisphere, this is the day with the least daylight, and the date of the greatesst extension of the antarctic zone of 24-hour darkness. dow

no way!!
It's only like two light bulbs running all the time.. :( didn't think it take that many solar panels just to keep a couple of light bulbs running :(
i don't think i can use a 12 v pump because I need to pump 1000 gph to a waterfall with 5 feet of head (1000 gallon pond is small) so needed a 1800 gph pump...
might have to just run an extension cord from the bedroom window :(
maybe i can recapture some energy using a water wheel or something..
i live in bay area california... so get about 7 hours of good sunlight a day ..
pond pumps need to run 24 7...
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC), turin@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (Jimmy Reza de la Turin) wrote:

no way!!
It's only like two light bulbs running all the time.. :( didn't think it take that many solar panels just to keep a couple of light bulbs running :(
i don't think i can use a 12 v pump because I need to pump 1000 gph to a waterfall with 5 feet of head (1000 gallon pond is small) so needed a 1800 gph pump...
might have to just run an extension cord from the bedroom window :(
maybe i can recapture some energy using a water wheel or something..
i live in bay area california... so get about 7 hours of good sunlight a day ..
pond pumps need to run 24 7...

Well George did the same maths that I did - and we both came to basically the same answer (without knowing all the details).
Most people have no idea just how much power it takes to run "two light bulbs" 24/7. If you mean 100 w light bulbs (approx) its nearly 5kwh. Except for water heating (wood powered at this time of the year in NZ), I only use 5kwh a day for my whole house. Like George says, thats something like a 1.5kw array.
The sun may shine for "7 hours" but it isn't overhead all that time, and there are cloudy days etc.
The amount of energy you could recapture with a water wheel would probably not be worth the extra expense.
Its clear that you have grid power. It would be foolish to run a garden pond pump on solar in that case - unless there were compelling reasons to do so (and the power requirement was quite low).
You statement that you "need" to pump 1000gph, is more likely that you "want" to pump a 1000gph.
Regards
Eric Sears

"Eric Sears" wrote in message

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC), turin@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (Jimmy Reza de la Turin) wrote:
no way!!
It's only like two light bulbs running all the time.. :( didn't think it take that many solar panels just to keep a couple of light bulbs running :(
i don't think i can use a 12 v pump because I need to pump 1000 gph to a waterfall with 5 feet of head (1000 gallon pond is small) so needed a 1800 gph pump...
might have to just run an extension cord from the bedroom window :(
maybe i can recapture some energy using a water wheel or something..
i live in bay area california... so get about 7 hours of good sunlight a day ..
pond pumps need to run 24 7...
Well George did the same maths that I did - and we both came to basically the same answer (without knowing all the details).
Most people have no idea just how much power it takes to run "two light bulbs" 24/7. If you mean 100 w light bulbs (approx) its nearly 5kwh. Except for water heating (wood powered at this time of the year in NZ), I only use 5kwh a day for my whole house. Like George says, thats something like a 1.5kw array.
The sun may shine for "7 hours" but it isn't overhead all that time, and there are cloudy days etc.
The amount of energy you could recapture with a water wheel would probably not be worth the extra expense.
Its clear that you have grid power. It would be foolish to run a garden pond pump on solar in that case - unless there were compelling reasons to do so (and the power requirement was quite low).
You statement that you "need" to pump 1000gph, is more likely that you "want" to pump a 1000gph.
Regards
Eric Sears Hello Jimmy welcome to the group

Here in Nebraska, we use windmills to pump water to a holding tank. Depending on your wind, that might help reduce your power needs/consumption and also give a nice nostalgic look to the waterfall. You could use a float switch on the tank to turn on the pump when wind is not enough. Depending on the property size, you might need a good sized windmill to make 1000 GPH though. Led lights or compact fluorescents work great and you can do that part but as these fine gentlemen have pointed out, the power grid is usually cheaper to run big pumps. This can be an expensive hobby, but I love it. Best wishes to ya Randy

On Jul 12, 4:18 am, "Randy" wrote:

"Eric Sears" wrote in message

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC), t...@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (Jimmy Reza de la Turin) wrote:
no way!!
It's only like two light bulbs running all the time.. :( didn't think it take that many solar panels just to keep a couple of light bulbs running :(
i don't think i can use a 12 v pump because I need to pump 1000 gph to a waterfall with 5 feet of head (1000 gallon pond is small) so needed a 1800 gph pump...
might have to just run an extension cord from the bedroom window :(
maybe i can recapture some energy using a water wheel or something..
i live in bay area california... so get about 7 hours of good sunlight a day ..
pond pumps need to run 24 7...
Well George did the same maths that I did - and we both came to basically the same answer (without knowing all the details).
Most people have no idea just how much power it takes to run "two light bulbs" 24/7. If you mean 100 w light bulbs (approx) its nearly 5kwh. Except for water heating (wood powered at this time of the year in NZ), I only use 5kwh a day for my whole house. Like George says, thats something like a 1.5kw array.
The sun may shine for "7 hours" but it isn't overhead all that time, and there are cloudy days etc.
The amount of energy you could recapture with a water wheel would probably not be worth the extra expense.
Its clear that you have grid power. It would be foolish to run a garden pond pump on solar in that case - unless there were compelling reasons to do so (and the power requirement was quite low).
You statement that you "need" to pump 1000gph, is more likely that you "want" to pump a 1000gph.
Regards
Eric Sears
Hello Jimmy welcome to the group Here in Nebraska, we use windmills to pump water to a holding tank. Depending on your wind, that might help reduce your power needs/consumption and also give a nice nostalgic look to the waterfall. You could use a float switch on the tank to turn on the pump when wind is not enough. Depending on the property size, you might need a good sized windmill to make 1000 GPH though. Led lights or compact fluorescents work great and you can do that part but as these fine gentlemen have pointed out, the power grid is usually cheaper to run big pumps. This can be an expensive hobby, but I love it. Best wishes to ya Randy

shouldnt he use low power CF Bulbs ? why 100 watts ?
my bulbs are about 10 watts each,

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On Jul 12, 4:18 am, "Randy" wrote: "Eric Sears" wrote in message

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC), t...@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (Jimmy Reza de la Turin) wrote:
no way!!
It's only like two light bulbs running all the time.. :( didn't think it take that many solar panels just to keep a couple of light bulbs running :(
i don't think i can use a 12 v pump because I need to pump 1000 gph to a waterfall with 5 feet of head (1000 gallon pond is small) so needed a 1800 gph pump...
might have to just run an extension cord from the bedroom window :(
maybe i can recapture some energy using a water wheel or something..
i live in bay area california... so get about 7 hours of good sunlight a day ..
pond pumps need to run 24 7...
Well George did the same maths that I did - and we both came to basically the same answer (without knowing all the details).
Most people have no idea just how much power it takes to run "two light bulbs" 24/7. If you mean 100 w light bulbs (approx) its nearly 5kwh. Except for water heating (wood powered at this time of the year in NZ), I only use 5kwh a day for my whole house. Like George says, thats something like a 1.5kw array.
The sun may shine for "7 hours" but it isn't overhead all that time, and there are cloudy days etc.
The amount of energy you could recapture with a water wheel would probably not be worth the extra expense.
Its clear that you have grid power. It would be foolish to run a garden pond pump on solar in that case - unless there were compelling reasons to do so (and the power requirement was quite low).
You statement that you "need" to pump 1000gph, is more likely that you "want" to pump a 1000gph.
Regards
Eric Sears
Hello Jimmy welcome to the group Here in Nebraska, we use windmills to pump water to a holding tank. Depending on your wind, that might help reduce your power needs/consumption and also give a nice nostalgic look to the waterfall. You could use a float switch on the tank to turn on the pump when wind is not enough. Depending on the property size, you might need a good sized windmill to make 1000 GPH though. Led lights or compact fluorescents work great and you can do that part but as these fine gentlemen have pointed out, the power grid is usually cheaper to run big pumps. This can be an expensive hobby, but I love it. Best wishes to ya Randy
shouldnt he use low power CF Bulbs ? why 100 watts ?
my bulbs are about 10 watts each,
By all means, I think I wrote that a few lines up there. Mine are 13 watts a

piece at 12 volts. More than bright enough, but if you want to spend more, go for the LED lamps for even more power savings. My white 12 inch neon over the desk pulls 2.4 watts. Its about as bright as an 8 watt fluoresent. But in the U.S.A. we do retain the right to burn incandesent lamps (as well as the right to do many other silly things with our money), but dose the O.P. want to pay for five times more panels to do that? Its up to him. But as for me and my wallet, I choose to conserve. Randy

No problem, just add lots of money

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Newton [1] has quoted in his book ‘Opticks’ in 1704 that "Gross bodies and light are convertible into one another...",

What news! It's only 303 years late. Do you have any news that's less than a century old?
Anthony

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:22:46 +0930 in alt.solar.photovoltaic, The Wussy of Oz known as "phlatArse", "rH" and 851,375,193,274 other nyms, this time posting as Lectron_Nuis <Lectr�n_Nuis@sp�rk.em.n.rark.em.noe>, wrote:

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net, sayed:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:52:18 -0000, beemerwacker <43.kitcar@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 29, 8:51 pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:13:05 -0000, beemerwacker <43.kit...@gmail.com wrote:
Damn, George you're as thick as a really bad gravy.
/nodding Could not agree more And.. as _sour_ as burnt gravvy, to boot !
Sure, but he can always claim he's *wise* gravy. That kind of logic is hard to refute. :-) He's been bragging on some of his theories, check here to see if the intelligence of gravy is covered.http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
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I got another letter today. The cat was suspicious about it though so I called the cops - the local CSI guys blew it up for me. Turns out it was a jar of gravy. Heinz. Extra thick. Didn't make any sense. That's when I put 2 and 2 together and figured out it was from George. Now Saline is on Orange alert and there's checkpoints up all over the place.
He thought he could bribe his way onto your show with gravy? Must be an Australian thing. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
tic Wayne ! I object, most strongly , Sir. /tic GeeHoe is _not_ Australian. He is an import, one that should have had a Customs sticker whacked on his arse that read: "Fowl Ground - Return to Country of Origin"
That is what makes him "unAustralian" - his absurd feeding of the Chooks. What he throws down all must gobble with glee. He believes it - so must we all. Period. Anything else you get shite slung at you. Ask me how I know :-
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxI predict that the scorned Ghinius will now furiously apply his riter and soler traning to a new Magna Carta.
Do you have any concept of just what Ballarat is? As a "place"? Believe me, GeeHoe would not survive where there was competition and savvy folk.<bfg As to the readin' and ritin' skills (joke) GeeHoe has..well I guess the count is in on that one :-/
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-> I tried that method and my house tipped over and ruined it. Show us -> your design. The hydro electric pumping plant uses your method at -> Niagra Falls in Buffalo NY The hydro-electric plants on the Niagara River (both in New York State, and in Ontario, Canada - the river is the boundary) use water from Lake Erie, and let it descend through turbines to the level of the river below the Falls, where it flows to Lake Ontario. I have never heard of any water being pumped back up! Doing so would be ridiculous, since only a small fraction of the natural flow of the river is used anyway. The rest just goes over the waterfall. Incidentally, I was there two days ago. dow

On Jul 23, 11:42 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:

-> I tried that method and my house tipped over and ruined it. Show us -> your design. The hydro electric pumping plant uses your method at -> Niagra Falls in Buffalo NY
The hydro-electric plants on the Niagara River (both in New York State, and in Ontario, Canada - the river is the boundary) use water from Lake Erie, and let it descend through turbines to the level of the river below the Falls, where it flows to Lake Ontario. I have never heard of any water being pumped back up!

Not there, but plenty of other places.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped_storage

"David Williams" wrote in message

-> I tried that method and my house tipped over and ruined it. Show us -> your design. The hydro electric pumping plant uses your method at -> Niagra Falls in Buffalo NY
The hydro-electric plants on the Niagara River (both in New York State, and in Ontario, Canada - the river is the boundary) use water from Lake Erie, and let it descend through turbines to the level of the river below the Falls, where it flows to Lake Ontario. I have never heard of any water being pumped back up! Doing so would be ridiculous, since only a small fraction of the natural flow of the river is used anyway. The rest just goes over the waterfall.
Incidentally, I was there two days ago.

You should have gone down river five miles to the Robert Moses Power Project and Lewiston pump-generating station then.
The hydro facilities on the CA and US side can *literally* shut off the falls. International agreement dictates exactly how much water they may divert from the falls so the tourist attraction is not diminished. But after midnight, they crank 'em up quite high and the 'falls' becomes more a 'trickle'. The Niagara river has a flow of about 200,000 ft^3/ second, yet at night as much as 150,000 ft^3/s are diverted to generation and pumping.
The Robert Moses Power Project is one of the largest *PUMPED STORAGE* facilities in the world. The same intake tunnel / canal that feeds the hydro project feeds this facility. On a typical night, one of the hydro-project's biggest load is the pumped storage facility where they pump water up into the storage 'pond' (it's more like a small lake though).
http://www.nypa.gov/facilities/niagara.htm
daestrom

-> > The hydro-electric plants on the Niagara River (both in New York State, -> > and in Ontario, Canada - the river is the boundary) use water from Lake -> > Erie, and let it descend through turbines to the level of the river -> > below the Falls, where it flows to Lake Ontario. I have never heard of -> > any water being pumped back up! -> Not there, but plenty of other places. Oh sure! Pumped-water storage of energy makes a lot of sense in some situations. For example, if there's a nuclear power plant that produces X gigawatts, and the area it supplies consumes that same amount on average, but mainly at certain times of day, and if there's a convenient mountain and a river or lake near its bottom, then it is a good idea to pump water up the hill to a reservoir at the top during the times when you have excess power, and let it run back down through turbines when you need more power than your nuke gives. But the person to whom I was replying said that this is done at Niagara Falls. It isn't. dow