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Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future
Publication Date:23-March-2006 02:30 PM US Eastern Timezone Source:Financial Express

Sheikh Ahmad Zaki Yamani, the former Saudi oil minister, said the main source of energy in the future will be hydrogen, causing ''the end of the oil era.'' The high price of oil is causing consuming nations to more rapidly develop alternative energy sources, Yamani said today in London, where he is chairing a conference for the Centre for Global Energy Studies, which he founded.
''The price will remain high for some time until the major oil consumers will be able to be independent from oil, especially from the Gulf region,'' he said. ''We have seen the future: The main source of energy will be hydrogen. It will be the end of the oil era.''
Yamani was Saudi Arabia's oil minister from 1962 to 1986. The conference, to discuss geopolitics and the future of energy, is being attended by natural resources ministers and other officials from countries including the U.K., Brazil, Canada and Mexico, as well as representatives of major oil companies including BP Plc and Kuwait Petroleum Corp.Yamani said political conflicts could cause the price of oil to go higher, leading to a global economic decline. http://fuelcellsworks.com/news1.html

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future
Publication Date:23-March-2006 02:30 PM US Eastern Timezone Source:Financial Express

Sheikh Ahmad Zaki Yamani, the former Saudi oil minister, said the main source of energy in the future will be hydrogen, causing ''the end of the oil era.'' The high price of oil is causing consuming nations to more rapidly develop alternative energy sources, Yamani said today in London, where he is chairing a conference for the Centre for Global Energy Studies, which he founded.
''The price will remain high for some time until the major oil consumers will be able to be independent from oil, especially from the Gulf region,'' he said. ''We have seen the future: The main source of energy will be hydrogen. It will be the end of the oil era.''
Yamani was Saudi Arabia's oil minister from 1962 to 1986. The conference, to discuss geopolitics and the future of energy, is being attended by natural resources ministers and other officials from countries including the U.K., Brazil, Canada and Mexico, as well as representatives of major oil companies including BP Plc and Kuwait Petroleum Corp.Yamani said political conflicts could cause the price of oil to go higher, leading to a global economic decline. http://fuelcellsworks.com/news1.html

Yamani is much too well-educated to actually believe that hydrogen can be an energy SOURCE. Carrier, possibly, but not a source. I wonder what he really said?
Gordon Richmond

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

"lkgeo1" wrote:

Sheikh Ahmad Zaki Yamani, the former Saudi oil minister, said the main source of energy in the future will be hydrogen, causing ''the end of the oil era.''

He's trying to send us off in search of the Wild Goose. If only hydrogen _were_ a SOURCE of energy we'd be all set, but it's just a storage medium.

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

Per Gordon Richmond:

Yamani is much too well-educated to actually believe that hydrogen can be an energy SOURCE. Carrier, possibly, but not a source. I wonder what he really said?

I've always wondered if hydrogen could be a realistic carrier for solar power from the really-hot/sunless areas of the world to the consumers of the world.
I guess greater minds than mine have mulled this over... anybody got a read to recommend? -- PeteCresswell

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

Next energy source for this world will be WATER (H2O)

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message

Per Gordon Richmond: Yamani is much too well-educated to actually believe that hydrogen can be an energy SOURCE. Carrier, possibly, but not a source. I wonder what he really said?
I've always wondered if hydrogen could be a realistic carrier for solar power from the really-hot/sunless areas of the world to the consumers of the world.
I guess greater minds than mine have mulled this over... anybody got a read to recommend? -- PeteCresswell

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

The next energy source will be all the hot air coming from these idiot's mouths.
"William P.N. Smith" wrote in message

"lkgeo1" wrote: Sheikh Ahmad Zaki Yamani, the former Saudi oil minister, said the main source of energy in the future will be hydrogen, causing ''the end of the oil era.''
He's trying to send us off in search of the Wild Goose. If only hydrogen _were_ a SOURCE of energy we'd be all set, but it's just a storage medium.

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

Sheikh Ahmad Zaki Yamani, the former Saudi oil minister, said the main source of energy in the future will be hydrogen, causing ''the end of the oil era.''
He's trying to send us off in search of the Wild Goose. If only hydrogen _were_ a SOURCE of energy we'd be all set, but it's just a storage medium.

And an extremely bulky and expensive storage medium at that.
That would also explain why Bush the oilman president was all enthused about hydrogen - it was the perfect excuse to shovel billions of tax dollars to GM/Ford/DaimlerChrysler while not actually doing anything to reduce petroleum consumption at all.
CM

Yamani sees 'end of the oil era' and hydrogen future

NW is poised for hydrogen fuel role Region promoted as uniquely able to help wean world from petroleum power
By TOM PAULSON SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
In a bid for some of the Bush administration's $1.2 billion promised funding to develop hydrogen-powered cars, the former head of the Bonneville Power Administration yesterday unveiled at a Seattle conference an ambitious proposal to make the Pacific Northwest "the Saudi Arabia of hydrogen."
At the same meeting, one of the most influential thinkers at the alternative and environmental end of the energy policy debate agreed that the Northwest is uniquely poised to become a world leader in helping make the "hydrogen transition" away from petroleum-based transportation fuels.
"This region is the most suited of any place in North America to move rapidly toward hydrogen," said Amory Lovins, director of the Rocky Mountain Institute in Snowmass, Colo., an Oxford University-educated physicist, a frequent critic of current energy policies and one of the world's leading lights in matters of alternative energy.
"We're already the Saudi Arabia of water," said Jack Robertson, who retired from BPA in 1999 and formed the Bonneville Environmental Foundation. "Because of the Columbia River, the Northwest can produce hydrogen cheaper, faster and cleaner than anyone else in the world."
Robertson and Lovins were two speakers at a conference on "Hydrogen Production and Northwest Transportation" sponsored by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland. The national lab is a leader in the development of fuel cell technology and other technologies aimed at reducing the nation's energy dependence on imported oil.
Hydrogen power is based on the use of chemical "fuel cells" that can tap the energy (electricity and heat) produced from the chemical transformation of hydrogen and oxygen into water. Hydrogen power holds the promise of a cleaner and renewable energy resource.
"It's clean, renewable and it doesn't come from an unstable part of the world," Robertson said. To put this region's advantage in perspective, he noted that for a person standing on the banks of the Columbia River, enough hydrogen in the river water passes by in just one second to fuel 600,000 passenger cars for 24 hours.
At the meeting, Robertson was rallying support for a proposal he's calling the Northwest Hydrogen Initiative. The basic idea is to use off-peak hydropower to generate cheap hydrogen fuel that would run a fleet of vehicles within five years, contribute to the city of Seattle's future energy needs and launch the beginnings of a hydrogen production-distribution system that could become a model for the rest of the world. Robertson hopes to garner enough public and private interest in the proposal to submit it to the Bush administration for funding.
"Basically, we're trying to develop the energy system of the future," said Mike Lawrence, associate director for energy science at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. The two biggest hurdles for hydrogen fuel today, Lawrence said, are the relatively high costs of the fuel cells and figuring out how to create an efficient system for producing and distributing this new fuel.
Lovins has been pushing the hydrogen-fueled car idea for more than a decade. The Rocky Mountain Institute has spun off a company, called Hypercar Inc., to promote to automakers its design of an extremely lightweight, carbon-based vehicle that aims to make hydrogen an attractive, economical fuel right now. He said some of the big automakers have shown interest now that the Bush administration appears willing to put some money into developing a hydrogen-powered car.
"Unfortunately, the administration has created the impression among environmentalists that this is just a way of distracting people from pursuing (current) hydrogen technology," Lovins said. "It could either be a triumph or a bust."
But no matter what the Bush administration hopes to achieve with its so-called "Freedom Car" initiative, he predicted that hydrogen fuel ultimately would replace petroleum for a variety of reasons.
"For one thing, it should be clear to everyone by now that our oil dependency is contrary to our economic and national security interests," Lovins said. But despite such policy influences, he said the marketplace is already pushing us toward what he calls the "hydrogen transition." Dupont, British Petroleum and other major corporations, Lovins said, already are looking at alternative energies simply because they are looking cheaper.
Eventually, he said, petroleum's direct and indirect costs will make it so unattractive that we won't have to run out of oil before we stop using it as our primary energy resource.
"Somebody once said, 'The stone age didn't end because the world ran out of stones,' " Lovins said. "The oil endgame has started. We are already entering the hydrogen era."
Making a hydrogen-powered vehicle is not the problem. They already exist. The trick will be getting the pure hydrogen out of the water cheaply enough to compete in price against gasoline. That's the advantage the Northwest has now over everyone, according to Robertson. Using off-peak hydropower, he thinks he can produce hydrogen fuel right now for about $2 a gallon.
"We are very close with the existing technology," he said. "We're not talking about inventing anything new."
P-I reporter Tom Paulson can be reached at 206-448-8318 or tompaulson@seattlepi.com
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/126980_car17.html


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