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True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.)
You can last a while after the Grid collapses.
With woodgas you can have light (just use it like you would for a natural gas/methane/biogas lamp, directly) and heat forever with, if necessary, nothing but your bare hands.
Good lamps have chimneys of glass, and crude glass can easily be made from woodashes (calcium and potassium carbonates [fluxes]), quartz sand or quartz.
Everything else, the generator, pipes, and nozzles can be made from clay (low-fired ceramics). See the last section of this article.
Woodgas Info -----------
Woodgas is extremely efficient, smokeless, and can be used directly for illumination.
Note 1: Keep in mind that filtering and condensing, needed to run an internal combustion on woodgas, are NOT necessary when using woodgas for lights and stoves, etc.
Note 2: See the end of this post for the details on how to build a woodgas generator under primitive conditions.
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http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/woodgas.htm
Gasification* is the cleanest, most efficient combustion method known. It has been used for decades where clean heat is[703] required. Examples include the thousands of vehicles which were directly fuelled by Gasifiers during the Second World War, or the coal gas "works" which were common in cities all over the World before natural gas. These produced gas which combusted so clean it was used in chimney-less household appliances such as cookers and heaters, without adverse effects.
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www.woodgas.com/
The purpose of this site is to promote the understanding and use of Biomass in general and particularly WoodGas for cooking, power and renewable fuels. ...
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http://www.webpal.org/webpal/b_recovery/3_alternate_energy/woodgas/principles.htm
An introduction to the subject of wood gas
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woodgasllc.com/web/
WoodGas, LLC - We sell smokeless wood burning camping stoves in the USA and actively working to transfer our technology to partners in developing nations. ,. ...
http://woodgasllc.com/web/content/view/2/39/
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http://www.webpal.org/webpal/b_recovery/3_alternate_energy/woodgas/fema_wood_gas_generator.pdf
Plans from FEMA
In HTML
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml
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http://www.puhdasenergia.com/html/products.html
....gasifiers. Woodgas is a high quality fuel like natural gas. Woodgas burns very clean, and leaves no odour or residue.
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http://mitglied.lycos.de/cturare/gas.htm
Principles and diagrams
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http://burning-wheel.org/information.html
Lots of information on converting various kinds of biomass (not only wood) into burnable gas.
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http://highforest.tripod.com/woodgas/woodgas.html
A good diagram and links
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http://www2.whidbey.net/lighthook/woodgas.htm
Fuel shortages during WWII prompted searches for alternative fuels in England, Germany, Scandinavia and many other countries. One of the most unusual solutions involved the modification of vehicles for use with wood, charcoal, or coal. Typical modifications included A) a gas generator; B) a gas reservoir; and C) carburetor modifications and additional plumbing to convey, filter, and meter the gas into the engine.
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http://www.windward.org/notes/notes63/wal63_b.htm
Construction details with lots of photos.
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http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com/_framed/250x/fluidynenz/enginetables.htm
Details about energy produced per kilogram of wood, etc. Tables.
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http://www.heritageresearch.com/manufactured_gas_B.htm
A Brief History of the Manufactured Gas Industry in the United States
Before electricity became widely available, coal gas (producer gas, town gas, water gas) were used to power many factories and to power and light many urban areas and beyond.
Wood gas is basically the same thing, just purer and safer. The main component of each is CO (carbon monoxide) which is quite poisonous when breathed for any length of time or in any concentration.
Fortunately, un-filtered woodgas, which is how it is used for anything but running an internal combustion engine, is smokeless, but not odorless, and the smell of burning wood is easily detected and tracked down in an environment that has no other wood-burning going on.
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Building a Woodgas Generator Under Primitive Conditions
The body of the woodgas generator and the pipes needed to distribute the gas can be made of low-fired ceramics, clay fired in what is called a "clamp", which is basically a pile of firewood.
Clay can almost always be found under the soil, a few feet down. Dig it out and wash it if necessary (mix it with water, let the junk settle and the organic matter float, skim off the latter and pour off the thick clay-water on a pile of grass to drain and dry to the point that it is workable).
The body of the generator, and you should make two so that one can be fired up as the first is running low on fuel, can be a cylinder about 4 feet high and 20" in diameter, with perhaps 3" walls. Build it around a lashed/woven cylindrical framework of small, green branches, or a section of a log, spending a lot of time patting/tamping the clay.
Make a hole about 1/4" wider than the pipe that will be inserted in it about 4" down from the top. Use a cement made by mixing 8 parts of leached, pure wood ashes with 2 parts clay with charcoal and firing the mixture over a bed of kindling, to seal the pipe in the opening.
About 6" up from the base, where the top of the rocks (see below) will be, make a 1" hole. This is for lighting the wood and must plugged with a rock or piece of fired clay, AND buried in dry dirt or clay when not being used.
This hole is also used to insert a stick and stir the stones around before each new charge of wood to prevent any clogging and to do the same if it clogs while running.
Also, very dry, barkless, hardwood twigs and charcoal should be used to start a new charge, thus minimizing/eliminating any initial smoke. The hole is only plugged after the fire is burning well, but well shy of "roaring".
The ashpit will fill very slowly with a pure, and valuable, mineral ash.
The base of the cylinder should rest on flat rocks with spaces between them to allow you to light the fire from below and for air to draft upwards into the kindling in the cylinder. (If you are using a section of log, remove it after the generator has cured for a day or so and can retain its shape.)
Let it dry/cure out of the sun for a few days to a week then fill it and surround it with kindling and small firewood, a generous amount, and torch it.
To the best of your ability, make the top very flat and smooth (you may have to sand it down with a piece of sandstone after it has been fired. A flat rock or a disk of clay will serve as the top and if you are using a rock, us it to shape the top of the generator for a near-perfect fit. The gasket is made from the pounded, shredded outer bark of of a mature, but not overly-old evergreen, which will be compressed by the weight of the rock top, or the rock on top of the clay top. (This outer bark is pretty fire-resistant, and the temperatures at the top of the generator are nowhere near its com- bustion temperature.)
Dig a pit about a foot and a half deep where you want the generator to be located, somewhat smaller than the generator's diameter, and about 2" below the surface put a woven screen of small, green branches, Dig out one side so that you can insert a length of clay or wood pipe at an angle so that the pipe opens in the pit a few inches below the the screen and angles away from the pit to the surface at about 30 degrees. This is your air intake, and the flow can be regulated by blocking the surface opening to one degree or another.
Put the body in place and cover the screen with about 5" of small rocks. (Approximately 3/4" diameter, round and smooth, found where running water is or used to be. These can split/explode when heated, so test them, carefully, before using in the generator, by throwing them in a hot fire and getting AWAY.)
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John Beardmore is killscored here. I don't download his articles or any responses to them.
"wookie" my butt. Wookies are _nice_ creatures. Lord Beardmore is a psuedo-progressive, spoiled middle-class hypocrite who attacks anyone that steps on his selve-serving delusions with clear thinking and facts.
He wears a gag when he is in my newsreader, and because he can't _do_ anything but run his big mouth, that's the end of him.
Alan
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True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

Alan Connor wrote:

With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.) ....

You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth. Myself, I don't see any big problem living around other people and trading services and goods.
Though, just as a hobby and for general learning, I've got nothing against getting to know how to do just about anything. I might never need to know how to move a pole barn by myself but it never hurts to learn.
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
Anthony

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

Anthony Matonak wrote:

Alan Connor wrote: With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.) ... You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth. Myself, I don't see any big problem living around other people and trading services and goods.

Yeah, he's had the same rant before. Afaict, it's just a vehicle for the vicious piece of vitriol he tags at the end of the article. I'm sure most people have given up long before they get there, so I can't really see the point. -- derek

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

"Alan Connor" wrote in message

With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.)
You can last a while after the Grid collapses.
With woodgas you can have light (just use it like you would for a natural gas/methane/biogas lamp, directly) and heat forever with, if necessary, nothing but your bare hands.
Good lamps have chimneys of glass, and crude glass can easily be made from woodashes (calcium and potassium carbonates [fluxes]), quartz sand or quartz.
Everything else, the generator, pipes, and nozzles can be made from clay (low-fired ceramics). See the last section of this article.

You can live for awhile on roots, berries and grubs for awhile too. You wouldn't need to stoop so low as long as there's some semblance of civilization left. I would think the only way you'd want to start a civilization over again is if you were one of a few thousand people left on earth. That would be like winning the lottery, and I doubt you'd be in charge anyway, so there's no sense planning ahead for that.

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

"Derek Broughton" wrote in message

Anthony Matonak wrote:
Alan Connor wrote: With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.) ... You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth. Myself, I don't see any big problem living around other people and trading services and goods.
Yeah, he's had the same rant before. Afaict, it's just a vehicle for the vicious piece of vitriol he tags at the end of the article. I'm sure most people have given up long before they get there, so I can't really see the point. -- derek

Yes, it's a lot of blah blah blah but I *would* like to see how woodgas can be used for lighting, absorption refrigeration, water heating, and furnaces etc. Too bad the link doesn't work. I'm thinking some kind of blower and regulator would be needed but so far it looks like I may have to figure all that out myself.

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

On alt.energy.homepower, in , "Anthony Matonak" wrote:

Alan Connor wrote:
With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.)
............................................................... You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth.

No. I mean the industrial infrastructure that makes _this_ civilization possible. There are 10's of millions of people on the planet who have nothing to do with _this_ civilization.

Myself, I don't see any big problem living around other people and trading services and goods.

Nice little fantasy compliments of Hollywood.
After the Grid breaks down people will be desperate indeed, in no time at all. Even the stockpilers-with-guns who think they are ready to deal with it.
There will be bandits and refugees everywhere and no police force or army keeping the roads open and safe. To come to your rescue when word gets around that you have things to trade.
Trade requires surplus and there won't be any surpluses because there aren't any more trucks and trains and ships bringing goodies in from afar from factories and fields.
What there is will steadily and rapidly diminish.
You won't be able to afford to trade anything you have stockpiled and you won't have the time to produce more than you consume.
Your trusted neighbor will be able to justify anything to 'feed his family'.
If you plan on having any kind of duration and quality-of-life after the Collapse, I suggest that you put down the remote control and think.

Though, just as a hobby and for general learning, I've got nothing against getting to know how to do just about anything. I might never need to know how to move a pole barn by myself but it never hurts to learn.

Indeed.

http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/

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I run Linux and have a dialup connection.
But thanks.
Alan
-- http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

On alt.energy.homepower, in , "JoeSP" wrote:

"Alan Connor" wrote in message
With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.)
You can last a while after the Grid collapses.
With woodgas you can have light (just use it like you would for a natural gas/methane/biogas lamp, directly) and heat forever with, if necessary, nothing but your bare hands.
Good lamps have chimneys of glass, and crude glass can easily be made from woodashes (calcium and potassium carbonates [fluxes]), quartz sand or quartz.
Everything else, the generator, pipes, and nozzles can be made from clay (low-fired ceramics). See the last section of this article.
You can live for awhile on roots, berries and grubs for awhile too.

Please tell us just why you believe that using woodgas would prevent a person from having a garden and a grainfield.
I for one, am dying to hear how you arrived at that conclusion.
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Alan
-- http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

Alan Connor wrote:

i-idneMHjN-k2Z3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Anthony Matonak" wrote: Alan Connor wrote:
With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.) ............................................................... You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth.
No. I mean the industrial infrastructure that makes _this_ civilization possible. There are 10's of millions of people on the planet who have nothing to do with _this_ civilization.

We've already established that you have problems with definitions and prefer to invent your own. You are really talking about one particular culture, government, set of laws or particular quirks of ideas but not civilization as a whole.

After the Grid breaks down people will be desperate indeed, ... snip rant


Again, it's not the Grid your talking about, it's communication, transportation and government. I don't see how being able to make your own wood-gas is going to help if all these breakdown and you have to fight off your thieving cannibal neighbors.

I've got nothing against getting to know how to do just about anything. http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
This site is best viewed using the latest version of Internet Explorer. Due to large video and image files, dial up internet users will experience a wait time when initially viewing the pages.
I run Linux and have a dialup connection.

a) Not my problem. b) Learning requires investment, even if that's only time. c) Works fine under Firefox.
Anthony

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On alt.energy.homepower, in , "Anthony Matonak" wrote:

Alan Connor wrote:
i-idneMHjN-k2Z3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Anthony Matonak" wrote:
Alan Connor wrote: With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.) .............................................................. You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth.
No. I mean the industrial infrastructure that makes _this_ civilization possible. There are 10's of millions of people on the planet who have nothing to do with _this_ civilization.
We've already established that you have problems with definitions and prefer to invent your own.

I try to use words honestly and accurately, to illuminate rather than deceive.
Myths are fine for sheltered and coddled middle-class consumers, but they won't help anyone who wants to be able to have a decent life (or any life) after the Grid collapses.

You are really talking about one particular culture, government, set of laws or particular quirks of ideas but not civilization as a whole.

That contradicts your statement above rather dramatically:

You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth.

You must be pretty upset.
I'm talking about _this_ civilization.
It's a global economy. If England, for example, had to live off of its own labor and resources, it would be a startlingly different place.
A significant reduction in population would have to occur, one way or the other, just for starters.
Just divide the acres of arable land by the current population if you don't believe me.
Takes about 3-1/2 acres of land to feed one typical Brit with the amount of animal products they are accustomed to consuming.
It takes about 1/10 acre to feed a pure vegetarian.
Care to guess how many people there will be who would be willing to see you and everyone you know die rather than give up animal products in their diet?
Are _you_ willing to give them up? Willing to be satisfied with your fair share of the resources?

After the Grid breaks down people will be desperate indeed, ...
snip rant

Right. Anyone who disagrees with you is ranting.
Anyone who agrees with you is engaged in intelligent discourse.
<yawn>
<snip>
Alan
-- http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

"Alan Connor" wrote in message

On alt.energy.homepower, in i-idneMHjN-k2Z3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Anthony Matonak" wrote:
Alan Connor wrote:
With electricity from wind, solar panels, combustion engines, or dams, you remain dependent on the Grid. (Meaning the full industrial infrastructure that makes the power sub-grid and all manufactured things possible.)
............................................................... You don't mean the Grid, you mean Civilization and All the Rest of the Population of the Earth.
No. I mean the industrial infrastructure that makes _this_ civilization possible. There are 10's of millions of people on the planet who have nothing to do with _this_ civilization.
Myself, I don't see any big problem living around other people and trading services and goods.
Nice little fantasy compliments of Hollywood.
After the Grid breaks down people will be desperate indeed, in no time at all. Even the stockpilers-with-guns who think they are ready to deal with it.


There will be bandits and refugees everywhere and no police force or army keeping the roads open and safe. To come to your rescue when word gets around that you have things to trade.

How are these bandits going to be getting around? Why would the roads need to be open and safe if there is no gasoline or diesel?

Trade requires surplus and there won't be any surpluses because there aren't any more trucks and trains and ships bringing goodies in from afar from factories and fields.
What there is will steadily and rapidly diminish.
You won't be able to afford to trade anything you have stockpiled and you won't have the time to produce more than you consume.
Your trusted neighbor will be able to justify anything to 'feed his family'.
If you plan on having any kind of duration and quality-of-life after the Collapse, I suggest that you put down the remote control and think.
Though, just as a hobby and for general learning, I've got nothing against getting to know how to do just about anything. I might never need to know how to move a pole barn by myself but it never hurts to learn.
Indeed.

http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
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This site is best viewed using the latest version of Internet Explorer. Due to large video and image files, dial up internet users will experience a wait time when initially viewing the pages. Thank you for visiting our site. Click on the above pic to enter site.
/quote
I run Linux and have a dialup connection.
But thanks.
Alan
-- http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.

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That really looks the posting history of a troll's sockpuppet. And you are using supernews, which hides your posting IP. The name is obviously a throwaway, as is your email address.
This alias of yours is killscored here.
(I've probably already killscored many of your other ones without ever reading an article under that name, like here. And will killscore many in the future, likewise never reading the articles.)
By-the-way, I can check the posting history of any alias with a single keystroke:
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/slrn/googgroups2.html http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/slrn/sles.html
It produces a report like the above.
And my newsreader is configured to bring down only the headers of posts unless I tell it to specifically do otherwise:
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/README.offline
Why don't you just run along back home to the slimy rock you nest under and spare us all the rest of your x-privat and aioe and googlegroups and individual.net and rr.com, etc., sockpuppets?
I'll never read an article you post, nor any replies to them, regardless of which alias or newsserver or ISP you are using. And I don't give a tinker's damn what you post about me or anything else. Nor does anyone I respect.
Any ignorant child can post anything on the Usenet, and if you don't have the integrity and courage to post under a single, unique alias you have no credibility and you will not be permitted to send articles to my newsreader via the Usenet.
Did you have something supportive and positive to say to me?
I couldn't care less. You are still a stinking troll. Go away.
Done.
Alan
-- http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.

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Try searching for "The"!! He is an even bigger troll (by quantity) and interferes with also all posts on Usenet groups.
If you like, I can give you instructions on how to eliminate all posts with "the" in them.
Please advise.
"Alan Connor" wrote in message

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From: "Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com Newsgroups: alt.energy.homepower Subject: Re: True Off Grid Power: Woodgas Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:18:09 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <12026htnbf5ccb@corp.supernews.com References: <slrndvvt3a.138.i3x9mdw@b29x3m.invalid i-idneMHjN-k2Z3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com

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That really looks the posting history of a troll's sockpuppet. And you are using supernews, which hides your posting IP. The name is obviously a throwaway, as is your email address.
This alias of yours is killscored here.
(I've probably already killscored many of your other ones without ever reading an article under that name, like here. And will killscore many in the future, likewise never reading the articles.)
By-the-way, I can check the posting history of any alias with a single keystroke:
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/slrn/googgroups2.html http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/slrn/sles.html
It produces a report like the above.
And my newsreader is configured to bring down only the headers of posts unless I tell it to specifically do otherwise:
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/README.offline
Why don't you just run along back home to the slimy rock you nest under and spare us all the rest of your x-privat and aioe and googlegroups and individual.net and rr.com, etc., sockpuppets?
I'll never read an article you post, nor any replies to them, regardless of which alias or newsserver or ISP you are using. And I don't give a tinker's damn what you post about me or anything else. Nor does anyone I respect.
Any ignorant child can post anything on the Usenet, and if you don't have the integrity and courage to post under a single, unique alias you have no credibility and you will not be permitted to send articles to my newsreader via the Usenet.
Did you have something supportive and positive to say to me?
I couldn't care less. You are still a stinking troll. Go away.
Done.
Alan
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True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

Alan Connor wrote:

On alt.energy.homepower, in , "Ulysses" wrote:
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http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Ulysses Results 1 - 100 of 1,300 posts in the last year .... That really looks the posting history of a troll's sockpuppet. And you are using supernews, which hides your posting IP. The name is obviously a throwaway, as is your email address.
This alias of yours is killscored here.

I see. You come here, rant mindlessly, then killfile our regulars when they disagree with you. <plonk> -- derek

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

"Alan Connor" wrote in message

On alt.energy.homepower, in , "Ulysses" wrote:
1 Yummypinays 1 alt.autos.nissan 1 alt.cdr.panasonic 1 alt.cellular.cingular 7 alt.energy.homepower 1 alt.games.video.xbox 5 alt.home.repair 4 alt.thought.southern 1 alt.torture 2 alt.trucks.ford 1 alt.video.dvd 5 alt.video.dvd.tech 1 aus.audio-visual.home-cinema 3 ecipiadas 1 ee.keel 1 etheria 1 hr.rec.dvd 18 hr.rec.kladjenje 1 microsoft.public.br.dotnet.languages.vb 1 microsoft.public.win2000.general 1 misc.rural 1 news.admin.net-abuse.sightings 2 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet 1 pyshop 2 rec.arts.movies.current-films 6 rec.audio.pro 21 rec.autos.makers.ford.explorer 1 soc.culture.usa 5 soc.history 3 soc.history.ancient


I wonder what set him off. blah blah blah must have more meaning in the UK.
Sheesh, I've never even heard of most of those news groups. I have 3 Ford Explorers and I'm sure I've posted a lot more than 21 times on rec.autos.makers.ford.explorer.
Does this mean he does not know how to used woodgas for heating water, absorption refrigeration, etc?
Aside from all else his reply is a waste of server space.

That really looks the posting history of a troll's sockpuppet. And you are using supernews, which hides your posting IP. The name is obviously a throwaway, as is your email address.

I have had this email address since shortly after Yahoo! came into being. I can prove it: I get about 600 spams a day on it.
I have changed ISPs about 25 times since I started using the internet (which was very shortly after it became public). And I still have the same email address. Thanks Yahoo!

True Off Grid Power: Woodgas

Ulysses wrote:

Yes, it's a lot of blah blah blah but I *would* like to see how woodgas can be used for lighting, absorption refrigeration, water heating, and furnaces etc.

I assume it would work the same as coal gas did, or is there a problem I'm missing?

Too bad the link doesn't work. I'm thinking some kind of blower and regulator would be needed but so far it looks like I may have to figure all that out myself.

I didnt follow his numerous links, but the obvious way to store and distribute gas would be with an unpressurised 2-part water sealed tank. This is a bottomless tank floating on water sitting in a topless tank. The combination rises as it fills with gas, stores gas, and provides a reasonably steady supply pressure. No need for any regulator.
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His vision of the future might be more logical if there were no alternative energy source to oil, but since there are many, such a collapse doesnt look likely.
NT


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